Gen III Hemi Swap into TJ—Reference Guide & Swap Info

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A stroker or maybe even a built Apache swap is very possible in the future. For now, I’m going to start with the 5.7/65RFE, some SRT manifolds, and a good tune and see how happy I am with ~400hp/425tq first.

I may be pinging you for some info if you don’t mind. For starters, what ECM did you use??
The engine and trans is out of an ‘06 Ram, but I had to use the ‘05 PCM to be consistent with the rest of the system.

Before the Hemi I ran a supercharged I6 that put out 400 on the torque side (300hp), so I did not want to do all that work for a stockish 5.7 for such a small jump in power. I’m well into the 500’s in HP and torque.
 
The engine and trans is out of an ‘06 Ram, but I had to use the ‘05 PCM to be consistent with the rest of the system.

Before the Hemi I ran a supercharged I6 that put out 400 on the torque side (300hp), so I did not want to do all that work for a stockish 5.7 for such a small jump in power. I’m well into the 500’s in HP and torque.
Why did you run the 05 ECM vs the 06? I haven't run across many differences there...

My RamCharger is ~500hp/575tq and it honestly makes me hate driving anything else in the house. Even the wife's 3.6L/8-speed Grand Cherokee feels like an absolute dog when driving it shortly after driving the RC around. I hope I'm happy with the 5.7/65RFE for at least a short while.

How's your 545 holding up? I have seen a handful of reports that it's not great at holding power. People have said this about the 46RE/RH too, but mine is holding up well to the stroker Magnum (after a $2600 rebuild at least lol).
 
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I just Hope that I end up with close to the HP & TQ numbers you're getting.
Haha - well me too!

She moves really well as it is, but I'm hoping a good tune and the better engine management of the JTEC will really make this motor shine while keeping it safe.

No problems spinning 37"s :) Truthfully, I can totally see me Hemi-swapping the RC in the future and using the stroker for something else. I've always wanted to do a LRE (Lil' Red Express) build - either a true restoration or replica.

I'm basing my stroker numbers off of two documented builds with near identical build specs (one coming out of the "How to build Big Inch Mopar Small Blocks"), real world numbers from a handful of dyno'ed crate motors, and from talking to Marty Fletcher some time ago. I'm just wrapping up my OBD-II conversion (hope to be done this week!) and should have it ready for fuel-sync and double-checked next week.

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My 53mm TB arrived last Friday, so I need to reassemble that and get it back on. Once running, I'll follow that up with a few more miles on the road, throw in an oil and trans-fluid change (the trans is new as well). and then get my base tunes loaded up. I hope to hit up the dyno mid-March!

The OBD-II conversion is quite easy and I'm using another HGM Compushift Mini A518 for the trans controls on the 46RH. Since I used the HGM in the past, I knew what it needed, so I made specific TPS and VSS signal leads just for it. I'm also taking the opportunity to update some of the wiring on the RamCharger at the same time - namely getting rid of the spaghetti fusible links and fender-mounted relays (I have used a 94-96 Ram Fuse box/PDC in the past and it has worked very well). I'm also upgrading the thin 16 AWG headlamp wiring to 14AWG on 2-separate relays (which I moved inside the Ram PDC for a factory-installed look).
 
Why did you run the 05 ECM vs the 06? I haven't run across many differences there...

My RamCharger is ~500hp/575tq and it honestly makes me hate driving anything else in the house. Even the wife's 3.6L/8-speed Grand Cherokee feels like an absolute dog when driving it shortly after driving the RC around. I hope I'm happy with the 5.7/65RFE for at least a short while.

How's your 545 holding up? I have seen a handful of reports that it's not great at holding power. People have said this about the 46RE/RH too, but mine is holding up well to the stroker Magnum (after a $2600 rebuild at least lol).
In 2006, Dodge went to the CAN-BUS system, which is not compatible with the 2004 Jeep cluster. The 2005 Dodge ECU works with the ‘01 to ‘06 Jeep cluster. Although Chris at Hot Wire did my wiring conversion, I know that he had to reconfigure the ‘06 Dodge harness to ‘05 specs. Again, so it would work with the ‘04 cluster and play nice with the rest of the harness. I could have gone with a custom cluster, but this route was easier and kept the stock look on the dash.

I had the 545 built by ATS. Purple power. They did their stage 4 build which is rated to 700 ponies. I’m really happy with how it came out - very quick shifts which are buttery smooth. Night and day improvement over the old 42RLE - even though ATS built that tranny for me as well.
 
I've been tucking away information for myself because I do plan on a Hemi swap down the road, in fact I already have dibs on an engine in a 2013 Charger that my buddy has for now. However I am really attached to my manual transmission, my current thought was to use an AX-15, with the bellhousing out of a Dakota so it bolts up directly and the gearset out of a Mk. IV Toyota Supra so it can take 400+ lb-ft of torque. But, I figured I'd ask if anyone has any better ideas for a manual trans to go behind a 5.7
 
In 2006, Dodge went to the CAN-BUS system, which is not compatible with the 2004 Jeep cluster. The 2005 Dodge ECU works with the ‘01 to ‘06 Jeep cluster. Although Chris at Hot Wire did my wiring conversion, I know that he had to reconfigure the ‘06 Dodge harness to ‘05 specs. Again, so it would work with the ‘04 cluster and play nice with the rest of the harness. I could have gone with a custom cluster, but this route was easier and kept the stock look on the dash.

I had the 545 built by ATS. Purple power. They did their stage 4 build which is rated to 700 ponies. I’m really happy with how it came out - very quick shifts which are buttery smooth. Night and day improvement over the old 42RLE - even though ATS built that tranny for me as well.
Oh that's right, I forget that the 02- (early) 05 Rams were still PCI (I should update and add a note in the ECM info above!).

Good to hear about your trans good fortunes. I had a local company rebuild my 46RH for use behind my stroker to the same power levels and it's been buttery smooth and reliable as well. They specialize in Dodge transmissions (mostly diesel stuff) but have a very knowledgable Dodge specialist that has likely forgotten more about the differences in Mopar transmissions than I ever knew.
 
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I've been tucking away information for myself because I do plan on a Hemi swap down the road, in fact I already have dibs on an engine in a 2013 Charger that my buddy has for now. However I am really attached to my manual transmission, my current thought was to use an AX-15, with the bellhousing out of a Dakota so it bolts up directly and the gearset out of a Mk. IV Toyota Supra so it can take 400+ lb-ft of torque. But, I figured I'd ask if anyone has any better ideas for a manual trans to go behind a 5.7
The R154 is close to the AX15 and shares lots of parts, but note that while the R154 was indeed used behind the Supra, those that built up their 2ZJ's often found the manual trans to be the weak spot in the drivetrain and most running seriously boosted engines all went with an automatic (or in some instances modified a Tremec to fit).

Personally, I don't think I'd ever consider an AX15 a viable candidate in stock form. RSG does makes an upgraded "Terminator" AX15 that uses some upgraded gears and internals of the later Supra R154 transmissions. Supposedly, it is typically quite reliable behind LS-powered Jeeps. The NV4500 is another option, though in my opinion the NV is a big ol' thing and since it has been out of production since the mid-2000's, it is getting harder to find. It's often too long for non-stretched Jeeps too!

The one option that I'd be most inclined to try out is the new(ish) Tremec TR-4050. https://tremec-blog.com/tremec-tr-4050-off-road-manual-transmission-solution/

It has an excellent set of gear ratios: 6.16, 3.11, 1.71, 1.00, 0.76 which would work well on the street and trail. That 6.16 first gear with a 2.72 t-case Lo range, and 5.13 axle ratio would yield a ~86:1 crawl ratio - that is higher than an 5-speed TJ Rubi. If you were to couple the SST with a Rubicon t-case, you would end up with a 126:1 crawl ratio - enough to make even the double/triple t-cased Toyota guys jealous! :)
 
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Take a look at this video on the TR-4050 being installed into a TJ. They have to notch the STOCK skid plate to get transmission in place. So I don't think you could use a tummy tuck type skid. About 4 minutes into the video.


Here is a company that offers bellhousings for the Hemi.

Mopar Archives - Quick Draw Brand

What is a H55 transmission?
 
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Take a look at this video on the TR-4050 being installed into a TJ. They have to notch the STOCK skid plate to get transmission in place. So I don't think you could use a tummy tuck type skid. About 4 minutes into the video.

Here is a company that offers bellhousings for the Hemi.

Mopar Archives - Quick Draw Brand

What is a H55 transmission?
I've seen this video before and recall seeing the notch. It looks like the belly of the trans hangs down below the skid some. I noticed they're also running t-case drop spacers. This is similar to what has to be done with an NV4500 install as well. I don't know if there is enough room to push the trans up much, so to use a tummy tuck skid someone is certainly looking at some sheet metal/tub work.

I was considering the SST at one point. I even asked Trent McGee about it when we ran across him on a trail ride last year. He really liked it (noting his is coupled with a R2.8T):

No idea what a H55 was, so I Googled it - looks like a Landcruiser trans...
 
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I've seen this video before and recall seeing the notch. It looks like the belly of the trans hangs down below the skid some. I noticed they're also running t-case drop spacers. This is similar to what has to be done with an NV4500 install as well. I don't know if there is enough room to push the trans up much, so to use a tummy tuck skid someone is certainly looking at some sheet metal/tub work.

I was considering the SST at one point. I even asked Trent McGee about it when we ran across him on a trail ride last year. He really liked it (noting his is coupled with a R2.8T):

No idea what a H55 was, so I Googled it - looks like a Landcruiser trans...

I'm not knocking it as a viable transmission but just trying to put the info out there as a warning. Depending on the amount of lift you are shooting for you could negate the needed belly skid drop. I'm just glad there are companies out there offering stuff for us.

I talked to one guy who put a NV4500 into his TJ and he redid his trans tunnel to make it fit instead of dropping it down.

Yes Trent and some of the other writers from the 4x4 mags really like the 2.8 cummins.
 
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I'm not knocking it as a viable transmission but just trying to put the info out there as a warning. Depending on the amount of lift you are shooting for you could negate the needed belly skid drop. I'm just glad there are companies out there offering stuff for us.

I talked to one guy who put a NV4500 into his TJ and he redid his trans tunnel to make it fit instead of dropping it down.

Oh I didn’t think you were knocking it at all - I took it (and I hope others do as well) as additive to part of the total “information package” :)

I think a huge advantage to a forum such as this is the collective information pool that the members bring, as well as the ability to easily find/reference and discuss options over the other.

Plus I’ve got no skin in the game for this swap - I can’t wait to get back to wheeling an auto 😂
 
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Oh I didn’t think you were knocking it at all - I took it (and I hope others do as well) as additive to part of the total “information package” :)

I think a huge advantage to a forum such as this is the collective information pool that the members bring, as well as the ability to easily find/reference and discuss options over the other.

Plus I’ve got no skin in the game for this swap - I can’t wait to get back to wheeling an auto 😂

Some have gotten touchy before.
I would like to see someone offer a transmission that would handle the torque of a Hemi or LS for those who still want a manual transmission.
But on the same note it's one of the reasons Ram no longer offers a manual transmission with a diesel. 2018 was the last year and if you wanted a manual behind the 6.7 you took it as a detuned engine. I had a 2008 Ram 3500 with the 6 speed manual and smoked the stock clutch in under 10K miles. And I hadn't done any internal work to it. All I'd done was to remove the emissions and put a 5" exhaust on it. Plus a tuner & that was it. Had to install a dual disc clutch and then the transmission blew with about 35K miles on it. I love rowing gears it just isn't a option for me anymore.

And yes I would like to put together a thread for people doing a Magnum V-8 swap. I've found a lot of information and have a lot of it listed in my thread but you have to search thru it to find. But when people have posted on here asking questions about this swap have tried to share what I know. My hard part is I let someone else do the first swap for me so there were some things I can't answer.
 
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The R154 is close to the AX15 and shares lots of parts, but note that while the R154 was indeed used behind the Supra, those that built up their 2ZJ's often found the manual trans to be the weak spot in the drivetrain and most running seriously boosted engines all went with an automatic (or in some instances modified a Tremec to fit).

Personally, I don't think I'd ever consider an AX15 a viable candidate in stock form. RSG does makes an upgraded "Terminator" AX15 that uses some upgraded gears and internals of the later Supra R154 transmissions. Supposedly, it is typically quite reliable behind LS-powered Jeeps. The NV4500 is another option, though in my opinion the NV is a big ol' thing and since it has been out of production since the mid-2000's, it is getting harder to find. It's often too long for non-stretched Jeeps too!

The one option that I'd be most inclined to try out is the new(ish) Tremec TR-4050. https://tremec-blog.com/tremec-tr-4050-off-road-manual-transmission-solution/

It has an excellent set of gear ratios: 6.16, 3.11, 1.71, 1.00, 0.76 which would work well on the street and trail. That 6.16 first gear with a 2.72 t-case Lo range, and 5.13 axle ratio would yield a ~86:1 crawl ratio - that is higher than an 5-speed TJ Rubi. If you were to couple the SST with a Rubicon t-case, you would end up with a 126:1 crawl ratio - enough to make even the double/triple t-cased Toyota guys jealous! :)
100% appreciated. Ill look more into the Tremec because that granny gear is appealing but one of the main reasons I want to find a way to hold onto the AX-15 is the fitment with a tummy tuck. And no I wouldn't dare consider a stock AX-15 either. However I should qualify when I say I'm shooting for a transmission that can handle 400+ lb-ft. I mean like just around 400-420 lb-ft of torque. Other than a port and polish and custom tuning (~400 HP), I wont be doing any major horsepower mods to the Hemi, I'd rather just build a go-fast car for serious HP. I had heard of the RSG Heavy Duty AX-15 but is it in production? I can only see their Terminator NVG3550.
 
100% appreciated. Ill look more into the Tremec because that granny gear is appealing but one of the main reasons I want to find a way to hold onto the AX-15 is the fitment with a tummy tuck. And no I wouldn't dare consider a stock AX-15 either. However I should qualify when I say I'm shooting for a transmission that can handle 400+ lb-ft. I mean like just around 400-420 lb-ft of torque. Other than a port and polish and custom tuning (~400 HP), I wont be doing any major horsepower mods to the Hemi, I'd rather just build a go-fast car for serious HP. I had heard of the RSG Heavy Duty AX-15 but is it in production? I can only see their Terminator NVG3550.

Have you look at this? You mention it in your post.

Terminator™ - Rockland Standard Gear, Inc. (rsgear.com)

But they don't offer any info as to what type of power it can handle.
 
Have you look at this? You mention it in your post.

Terminator™ - Rockland Standard Gear, Inc. (rsgear.com)

But they don't offer any info as to what type of power it can handle.
Rick from RSG many years ago allegedly “confirmed” 385 ft-lbs (which is close to what the R154t was rated to)...

It’s all internet folklore however and RSG’s website hasn’t been updated since what appears to be the Clinton Administration. A bud of mine called a few years ago and the lady that answered was less than helpful and unable to confirm anything.
 
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I have looked at that, the info on the page is kinda sparse but from what I surmised its an upgraded NVG3550, unless that is actually an upgraded AX-15 and they just dont actually say it.
Yeah their website is horrible... says copyright 1992, which I think was the last time someone updated it or designed a graphic for it. The Terminator is an AX-15 replacement for the NV3550 (also an older, worn AX-15 of course).

After doing some digging, I had originally believed that the RSG "Terminator" was an upgraded AX-15. It is, in a way since it uses some of the R154 internals and gear sets, but it isn't something specific to the RSG offering. This is the same trans you can buy directly from Novak and others. They have the same torque capacity and internal upgrades as these now come this way directly from Aisin.
 
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