Keep it or let it go?

Farmer Frank

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Looking for some input before I decide whether to repair or retire this TJ.

2001 Wrangler Sahara, 4.0, 5-speed, original owner. This Jeep has been great to me, and I hate the thought of our time coming to an end.

Brought it in recently for overdue maintenance (brakes, shocks, tires). During the oil change, the shop found metal shavings in the oil. Shortly after that, on short drives, it developed a noticeable loss of power and a flashing CEL. I was able to limp it home by keeping RPMs low. It’s been parked since and hasn’t been restarted.

Based on that, I’m assuming internal engine damage (bearing failure, etc.), but I haven’t torn into it.

I’ve been quoted around $5k for a rebuilt/replacement 4.0 installed.

The other variable is rust. There is visible rust on the body and underside (photos below), but I don’t have a solid frame of reference for what crosses the line from typical TJ rust to structural concern. Frame appears intact to me, but I haven’t done a detailed inspection of known problem areas yet.

What I’m trying to determine:

  • At what point does frame/body rust make an engine replacement a poor investment on a TJ?
  • Which areas should I inspect closely (frame rails, control arm mounts, skid plate crossmember, etc.) before committing to an engine?
  • Given the symptoms (metal in oil + rapid loss of power), does a full replacement make more sense than a rebuild in most cases?
Aside from the engine issue, the Jeep was running well and has been maintained, which is why I’m considering the repair.

Appreciate any insight from those who have dealt with similar situations.



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With the money you're going to dump into it (potentially for the new engine) I wouldn't even bother given the condition of the underside. Yes, I've seen worse rust, however, that rust is still really bad. The inside of the frame always looks way worse than the outside too.

Given that the used car market isn't what it used to be, you can find rust free TJs in good shape for 7-8k (sometimes less) these days. That being said, I just can't see throwing too much money into it when the frame itself is in that sort of shape.

On the other hand, if you coated the frame in something like POR15 you could probably drive it for the rest of your life and not have to worry about it. However, if it ever comes time to sell it, you ain't going to recoup what you put into it. Then again, you never do!
 
You can often find a used 4.0 for under a $100.

I'd borescope the cylinders. If they're not scratched up I'd pull the head, oil pan, roll in new bearings, replace the pistons...check the valves, throw a Felpro head gasket kit at it and be done in a weekend for about $500 in parts.

I had 30-50 psi of compression on my 4.0 cylinder 3. I bought a similar year XJ block...had it bored .030 over and threw a Clegg stage 2 stroker kit at it.

The 4.0 engine is ridiculously simple and forgiving.

-Mac
 
Welcome to the forum. If it was me, I'd get the engine replaced and clean up and paint the frame with POR 15 myself. But you're the one that ultimately has to decide if you want to spend the money and time on it.
 
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Whatever you decide to do if it were me I wouldn't include that 2001 0331 cylinder head in the plan. It might even be cracked already. 200-2001 were the weak ones, unless replaced with a TUPY.
 
Wow, 25 years with ya, I'd have to consider a little sentimental worth to keeping it on the road, personally.

Since your outsourcing the work, I'd have to assume a remanufactured/warrantied swap would be your best bet and not be much more than a full tear down and rebuild. You could always use a used motor and save a couple grand, but your risking the cost of another swap sooner.
 
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How many miles? i saw a 400k original owner one listed the other day which was pretty cool.

I'd be tempted to pickup another and keep it for spares but yeah then you gotta store it until your wife forces you to dump it. If it was rust free and clean yeah i'd rebuild it , otherwise it would be best a DIY job investment wise.

That said i have lots of rusty equipment that will run for a long time still and if it ain't structurally bad (which i can't tell from those pics) it's cheaper to keep em...depending on what you need or gonna use it for.
 
Sounds like you already dumped a lot of money in it. People in the Rust Belt drive for years with If you sell it as is you’d be lucky to recoup the money you just spent. I’ve seen more rust than you have on TJs in the Rust Belt and they drive them for years.
I’m sure in your neck of the woods there are plenty of Good Ole Boys who can replace the engine. Cash accomplishes a lot. Put your feelers on and talk to your friends to see if they know of someone. I needed some major work on my 04 Sierra. I lost compression in one cylinder days after rebuilding my trans. I was talking to a friend of my Son and he hooked me up with a guy. Turns out it was a bent valve from a dropped spark plug electrode. $1500 cash later I got both heads rebuilt and it runs like a top now. If it’s not your DD then you have time to find a reasonably priced solution.
 
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If in "considering repair" you intend to have a shop or someone else do the work then sell it and start over. You can come down to FL and buy a rust free 4.0 Tj for 6 to 7k all day long.

If you are able and willing to do the work, find the correct year used motor and as stated, dump a gallon of por 15 or the likes on the frame and have fun in it. You will be most likely in the $1500 range and a couple of weekends of work depending on your skill level. I would not trust a $100 motor unless I was planning on rebuilding it. Just me. I would not sell a known good 100k ish 4.0 for less then $600.

Good luck.
 
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That rust is nothing to be worried about. That would pass state safety inspection here without a problem.

I'd recommend a coating to slow the advance of rust, but I don't actually see anything there I'd want to patch.
 
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Depending on the mileage it could just be a flat lobe on the cam. I dont mind turning wrenches so I just put a new cam in mine. Again even a new/rebuilt motor I would do it if I wanted to keep the jeep. A lot of your rust is in need of attention but it doesn't look un manageable yet. Just my 2 cents.
 
That rust is nothing to be worried about. That would pass state safety inspection here without a problem.

I'd recommend a coating to slow the advance of rust, but I don't actually see anything there I'd want to patch.

This guy is fluent in rust belt. Marketplace sellers in Michigan would advertise that as rust free southern Jeep without losing sleep or feeling the need to go to confession.

The frame hole in the first pic looks out-of-round, which indicates the metal is quite thin in that spot. You might want to stab a screwdriver on the back and lower side to see if it pokes through. If it does, then frame repair will be in your future. Are the rear brake lines pitted/corroded?

If you don't stab through the frame and brake lines aren't pitted, I'd knock off the frame scale rust, drill drain holes (bottom side at front and rear lower control arm mounts), flush the bejezus out of the frame rail, apply whatever rust postponing potion you prefer, and coat the outside. Application doesn't have to be high-tech or time consuming- just get whatever to stick- brush/roll implement paint/POR, etc, spray undercoating, rattle can. . whatever your skill, budget, and desired goal will allow.

On the engine side, we're back to your skill, budget, goal, and appetite for pain. You could get a take-out motor from a reputable buyer and install that over the course of a weekend/week. If the clutch needs replaced, you're already there.

$5k covers the engine, but there certainly will be more discovery and findings along the way. As others said, you can probably get a better Jeep for about what you'll pay to have yours done.

If you decided to part with it, list it for sale here so rust belt guys can be entertained.
 
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I think the frame hole just appears out of round due to the perspective. The paint appears to be peeling off inside the tube and partly flaking off outside the tube giving it that appearance.

Definitely due for a repaint, but I'd be surprised if a screwdriver would go through it. (Still a good idea to test and the OP should do it.)

Personally I would go for an engine swap on this one. For the swap he's going to have to take half of everything off the frame anyways, so a perfect opportunity to repaint. It really wouldn't be a whole lot more work (relatively speaking) to take the entire tub off and do everything all at once.
 
I'd also recommend looking at other engine options as well if you'd like to keep this car a very long time. The TJ is probably one of the easiest cars to stuff whatever engine you want in it. Many different Chrysler, Ford, and GM engines and transmissions can be made to fit, and almost any of them can be adapted to a TJ 5-speed manual transmission.

Perfect time to drop in that large-displacement V8 you always wanted...
 
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