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Blackjack said:
Is this shop in Los Anchorage? Good shops will give multiple options and reasoning behind those options not tell you to stay off the interwebs. There are good resources up here both in person and online that will help you. For 33s there is no reason to do anything but regear and add a traction device up front. Assuming the rear is a Dana 35 that would be one place I would consider upgrading but there is no reason you cannot gear the 35 and run it while you save up. If it were mine I would keep an eye out for a stock Dana 44 if you plan on staying with 35s or less. They pop up from time to time for pretty decent prices usually you just have to be quick on the draw.
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Have to be careful what you recommend! a stock TJ Dana 44 is 3.07 long geared! :)
 
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OP Dont feel dejected! I just found out my stock 06 65th has 3.07 30 and 3.07 rear 44 lol
I didnt rush out and buy 33,s or even 31,s! there is a huge learning curve to be had with TJ,s and we are "All" still learning things we didnt know about different models!
You already have the 33,s on and not much money to spend so I would suggest a spring spacer lift to accommodate your 33,s. cheap way out and not so off road worthy but a cheap solution. :)
 
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TheBoogieman said:
Dana 44 TJ axles never had 3.07 gears. :geek:
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I beg to differ! lol
My Dana44 is 3.07 long gear on my build sheet along with the up front 30 3.07 as are many exports, This I believe??? is for gas mileage efficiency in Countries that are regularly purchasing gas ( Petrol) for double if not more than your lucky US drivers have been paying at the pump:)
Learning is a bad thing it seem?
Personally I had no idea and thought you Yanks (well you half Canadian Yanks lol) didnt know when to change gear lol
 
TWiG01 said:
First off, welcome. Second, you do not need entirely new axles. There is nothing wrong with keeping your Jeep stock for awhile. If you plan to off-road it, you’ll be amazed at what a stock TJ is capable of. If you’re not going to have the money to properly lift your Jeep and run 33s, I would just sell them and recoup some of your money. Start saving and do some research. This forum has literally covered everything TJ related and will answer all your questions.
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X2!
 
TheBoogieman said:
Dana 44 TJ axles never had 3.07 gears. :geek:
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Technically Dana Spicer offers a lot of different options:

Dana 30:
3.07 3.45 3.54 3.55 3.73 3.91 4.10 4.27 4.30 4.56 4.88 5.13 5.38

Dana 35:
3.07 3.27 3.55 3.73 4.10 4.11 4.56 4.88 5.13

Dana 44:
2.94, 3.07, 3.13, 3.21, 3.31, 3.36, 3.45, 3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.91, 3.92, 4.09, 4.10, 4.11, 4.27, 4.30, 4.55, 4.56, 4.88, 4.89, 4.90, 5.13, 5.38, 5.89

Imagine regearing from 2.94 to 5.89...
 
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Welcome to this forum. The TJ in your avatar looks pretty good. The top down and the dog are a nice touch.

Your first post shows that you are fairly new to the TJ and/or Jeeps in general and that's OK. So is rethinking your plan, just slow down some.

You mentioned two versions of this TJ to sell. Harder and easier, either way is possible but neither is required. Buying a Jeep that already has some mods and is regeared is also possible but mods aren't always done right and sometimes with the cheapest parts that end up being junk in short order.

I will say that "Leaning on just keeping it as is for a few years or just putting a more aggressive tire (and small lift/body lift)." is probably the best place to start. My Jeep doesn't have a body lift and is completely stock except my 235/85 R16 tires (31-3/4" X 9-1/4") and the only issue I've had is barely rubbing the control arms at full turn.


sarahlbel said:
The shop I went to is well respected and I was told they would be the ones to help me. Well as soon as I started talking about some of the research I had already done the guy told me I needed to stay off of the Jeep forums :rolleyes::)
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I have nothing against that shop, I'm too far away to know enough to make any judgement, but it kinda depends on who told you they would help you. If that "who" and "they" aren't the same I'd double check with "who" to find out some more about why "they" would be good. If that "who" and "they" are the same I'd look around for someone else especially after their guy told you to stay off of the Jeep forums. There are some Jeep forums that I won't bother with but this is the best Jeep forum I've seen and probably one of the best out there, Jeep related or not, so please stick around.
 
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TheBoogieman said:
The shop is just trying to take your money and sell you things you don't need, this forum isn't. Put a 2" BB or 1.25" BL on, add some aggressive 31s and enjoy it.
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Thanks Boog, this is a great looking example of a mildly modified TJ. Most TJ owners don't need to go beyond this level of mods.
 
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Steel City 06 said:
Technically Dana Spicer offers a lot of different options:

Dana 30:
3.07 3.45 3.54 3.55 3.73 3.91 4.10 4.27 4.30 4.56 4.88 5.13 5.38

Dana 35:
3.07 3.27 3.55 3.73 4.10 4.11 4.56 4.88 5.13

Dana 44:
2.94, 3.07, 3.13, 3.21, 3.31, 3.36, 3.45, 3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.91, 3.92, 4.09, 4.10, 4.11, 4.27, 4.30, 4.55, 4.56, 4.88, 4.89, 4.90, 5.13, 5.38, 5.89

Imagine regearing from 2.94 to 5.89...
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just imagine having 2.94 gears. :oops:
 
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Steel City 06 said:
Technically Dana Spicer offers a lot of different options:

Dana 30:
3.07 3.45 3.54 3.55 3.73 3.91 4.10 4.27 4.30 4.56 4.88 5.13 5.38

Dana 35:
3.07 3.27 3.55 3.73 4.10 4.11 4.56 4.88 5.13

Dana 44:
2.94, 3.07, 3.13, 3.21, 3.31, 3.36, 3.45, 3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.91, 3.92, 4.09, 4.10, 4.11, 4.27, 4.30, 4.55, 4.56, 4.88, 4.89, 4.90, 5.13, 5.38, 5.89

Imagine regearing from 2.94 to 5.89...
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The Waggy axles I built for my YJ had 2.72 gearing in the Dana 44!! The pinion head was massive...
 
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AndyG said:
Well crud.

First I can tell your post is real, and totally believable. We realize you didn’t foresee the impact of larger tires and now you clearly do.

The short answer is regear and or drop to 31” tires, sell the 33” tires, and enjoy the Jeep while you decide long term what you want to do. It may decide for you. It is far easier to change the tires than the gearing and other things we know you will run into.

As far as “stay off jeep forums”, consider this-

We are vehicle specific, and we have members that have owned their TJs since they were new....as far back as 1997. We have members who have had dozens, and members who have worked on and designed parts and systems for thousands. We have members that own shops and drive these personally.

I’m sure there is a lot of drama, confusion and misinformation on many Jeep forums, especially those that have a mix of models in their membership.

This forum is genuine- we are Tj lovers who have been involved with every thing you can morally do to one- every modification, lift, regear, transplant, build, and alteration you can think of- if its worth doing we know about it.

The proven knowledge on this forum will not be matched at any parts store , shop or even the large majority of off road shops. Usually their recommendations are totally off base.

The TJ is 15 years post production, but extremely relevant here...if you will pay attention to the general consensus of posts here you will be fine on about any ownership issue.

We align our front ends in our driveways, tackle the country’s hardest trails and can keep these going with a butterknife and WD-40.

All that is to say, by and large, we will tell you to avoid shops if it is going to mislead you and give you a bad ownership experience.
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Well said!
 
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TheBoogieman said:
Must be a Euro thing. I've heard rumors of 3.07 and D44s. Does your Jeep have a "Made in England" decal? Gas prices are high here on the East coast after the pipeline hack. I paid $2.52 a gallon at Sam's club (owned by Walmart). :oops:
p.s. Gas was $1 a gallon cheaper when we had a strong President that could put together 2 sentences on his own without a teleprompter and seeing eye dog to translate.
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Not sure why the Dana 44 has 3.07? but the OP has 3.07 as well, maybe its an 05-06 thing?
Also many other countries do not have your long steep high elevation highways to deal with. I noticed this when driving parts of the US, other countries have steep roads too but they are usually B roads, A roads and freeways/motorways are mostly gentle gradual gradients.
B road is a Back road or country road A road is an Arterial road.
It puzzled me why people in US were changing gear at over 3500RPM and now I am starting to understand why.
Gas or petrol in Oz is average $5.60 au a gallon and thats around $1 cheaper than pre Plandemic prices so about $4.50 US a gallon at the moment lol
 
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You already own the 33's...

You DON'T need new axles.
Just better gearing.

My advice...

Find a Jeep club local to you.
Look around for some used TJ 4 cylinder axles...they almost always have 4.10's in them and will bolt right up.
That will be a big difference over your 3.07's.

Jeep clubs are very helpful...

Good luck
 
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Hammer24 said:
My 2000 TJ came with 3.07's, I've always assumed it's an export/australian thing, like the standard dana 44 and 4.0
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Been doing a bit of reading up on it because I couldn't find answers on forums and basically 3.07 gives you more top end speed and less low speed grunt and with a manual box it doesnt need lower gears, of course that doesnt factor in that every man and his dog went from 28,s (29 Sahara and some specials) to 31,s then 33,s and then 35,s. It was also to keep the revs lower for more fuel efficiency, The SE or 4cylinder (didn't come to OZ) has to have much lower gearing else its a total pig stock. Autos I think were also fitted with lower gearing? and the Rubicon had lower gearing for extreme off road capability and purposes out of the box.
I am tending to believe steep highway elevations in some US States needed the 3.73 as minimum at stages in production.
Nothing wrong with 3,07 until you put 33,s on because you dont have enough revs to cope with the tyre diameter, 3.07 tail shaft does 3.07 revolutions to one stock wheel/tyre revolution and the same applies to all gear ratios so a 3.73 does 3.73 revolution to one wheel revolution and so on so as the gear ratio gets lower (Number higher) it has to do more revolution so rev range increases.
Sort of glad I looked into it as I wont go over 31,s without a re gear but the Dana 44 rear 3.07 can handle 33,s use wise unlike the OP,s X but the revs are still too low without a re gear.

Not sure how much Is correct as I only have Google to ask and they are changing history to suit their agenda :)

PBR spelling edits lol
 
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