Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts

Next best to Savvy bumper?

Fair enough.

I hate spiders. When I was 8 years old my parents handed down their waterbed to me because the 80's were over, it was hard on my dad's back and I still thought it was cool. When I was 9 the pest control guy tracked our brown recluse infestation back to my waterbed as ground zero. Pulled up the water bag and it was Temple of Doom in there. To say it freaked me out a little is an understatement.
Gotta love those childhood memories. A blast from the past for you. ;)
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Gotta love those childhood memories. A blast from the past for you. ;)
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I have a friend who was terrified of squirrels because one bit him on his finger. After many years of putting up with his intolerable phobia, we finally drug the rest of the story out of him. He was eating some sauce covered pasta for lunch, dug a noodle out to feed to the little critter that was sitting up and begging for food. Not the squirrel's fault that noodles and fingers taste the same when both are covered with alfredo sauce.
 
I know better than to leave my more pointed commentary open to interpretation and in the case of the dream bumper thread, I fully fucked that one up. I actually answered the wrong question and instead should have been answering "What would be your ultimate front bumper set up?" to put my comments in the proper context. That delineates them from detracting from the more than acceptable level of performance the Savvy version delivers in hardcore places like JV as evidenced by the pic below on my helper's rig who beats it like a redheaded step child.

He is running the wider aluminum front arms so the bolt is missing on the corner to clear the end of the sway bar arm.

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It is truly amazing how much misinterpretation has happened from that post. That other guy thought you wanted to build the whole thing out of stainless steel, and now pagrey thinks the bumper doesn't have enough strength since you said you would make the whole thing out of 1/4" and make winch deck *even* thicker to add *even more* strength (not that it is lacking any now for 99.99% of the people).

I recall some old thread where Jerry B said the front bumper recovery rings that he has on on his front bumper are not available anymore and you had said they made it into production but someone really absolutely misused it with some sort of a side pull. And that you/Savvy nixed that option so that stupid people don't have an option do stupid shit like that and put their rigs and lives in jeopardy.

It almost looks like people interpret what they want to interpret in spite of how clearly you write and in what context you say things. And it is frustrating to see when people who try to explain things about a superior product they get labeled as "apologists" and "fan boys".
 
It is truly amazing how much misinterpretation has happened from that post. That other guy thought you wanted to build the whole thing out of stainless steel, and now pagrey thinks the bumper doesn't have enough strength since you said you would make the whole thing out of 1/4" and make winch deck *even* thicker to add *even more* strength (not that it is lacking any now for 99.99% of the people).

I recall some old thread where Jerry B said the front bumper recovery rings that he has on on his front bumper are not available anymore and you had said they made it into production but someone really absolutely misused it with some sort of a side pull. And that nixed that option so that stupid people don't have an option do stupid shit like that and put their rigs and lives in jeopardy.

It almost looks like people interpret what they want to interpret in spite of how clearly you write and in what context you say things.
Amazing isn't it?

As for the deck mount recovery point issue, the idiots in question nosed the rig down into a creek, got it stuck and it was on a very narrow trail. They hooked the winch up to the recovery point from just enough off to the side to keep the line off of the body and tried to 180 the rig out of the stuck using the front shackle mount. It was stuck hard and they bent the mount over sideways some.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen again so in the trash they went. For those following along, the bumper deck was unhurt even though the recovery point was through bolted to it.
 
I have a friend who was terrified of squirrels because one bit him on his finger. After many years of putting up with his intolerable phobia, we finally drug the rest of the story out of him. He was eating some sauce covered pasta for lunch, dug a noodle out to feed to the little critter that was sitting up and begging for food. Not the squirrel's fault that noodles and fingers taste the same when both are covered with alfredo sauce.
Mrs App recently found out her snake, ironically named Noodle, can’t tell the difference from her pinky finger that had just held a mouse and an actual mouse. This snake has fangs in the back of its throat so it locked on like a Chinese finger trap. But even after the screaming and blood she still likes the snake. She’ll be more careful feeding it though.
 
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Mrs App recently found out her snake, ironically named Noodle, can’t tell the difference from her pinky finger. But even after the screaming and blood she still likes the snake. She’ll be more careful feeding it though
If she ever wants to "get rid" of it, I know someone who would love it. ;)
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Gotta love those childhood memories. A blast from the past for you. ;)
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nice try :ROFLMAO: Fortunately it's not like a PTSD trigger thing....unless I find one on me by surprise. I just don't like them.

I found one in my garage a few months ago after making widespread physical contact with a bunch of boxes while loading them into a truck to take over to the storage unit. I used my phone camera to get a closer view of it (sorry @Zorba) for identification and confirmed it was a brown recluse. I felt creepy crawlies all over me for the next several hours and signed a contract with Terminix as soon as I could get them to the house.
 
Mrs App recently found out her snake, ironically named Noodle, can’t tell the difference from her pinky finger that had just held a mouse and an actual mouse. This snake has fangs in the back of its throat so it locked on like a Chinese finger trap. But even after the screaming and blood she still likes the snake. She’ll be more careful feeding it though.
did you explain to Mrs App that this incident was a great example of the long tail bury splice method for synthetic rope? tapered fingers ta boot! next time, she can put a little honey on the wound, will heal up quicker...
 
did you explain to Mrs App that this incident was a great example of the long tail bury splice method for synthetic rope? tapered fingers ta boot! next time, she can put a little honey on the wound, will heal up quicker...
Never thought of the honey, but it's too good to waste on a wound.
 
WOW! This thing was 3 pages when I commented yesterday!

I may regret this but: What happens when you try to exceed the radius in question with 6061 T6? Crack? Tear? The 7th Seal?

<— Not a metallurgist.
 
Amazing isn't it?

As for the deck mount recovery point issue, the idiots in question nosed the rig down into a creek, got it stuck and it was on a very narrow trail. They hooked the winch up to the recovery point from just enough off to the side to keep the line off of the body and tried to 180 the rig out of the stuck using the front shackle mount. It was stuck hard and they bent the mount over sideways some.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen again so in the trash they went. For those following along, the bumper deck was unhurt even though the recovery point was through bolted to it.
Another example of why we can't have nice things is the reason the BMB raised sway bar mounts don't have triangle cutouts anymore.
 
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WOW! This thing was 3 pages when I commented yesterday!

I may regret this but: What happens when you try to exceed the radius in question with 6061 T6? Crack? Tear? The 7th Seal?

<— Not a metallurgist.

Demons will emerge through the cracks. (the bend will weaken and eventually crack)
 
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WOW! This thing was 3 pages when I commented yesterday!

I may regret this but: What happens when you try to exceed the radius in question with 6061 T6? Crack? Tear? The 7th Seal?

<— Not a metallurgist.
It isn't to exceed, it is instead, not reaching the minimum bend radius. 3/16" 6061 T6 has a minimum bend radius across the grain of .625 or a 1 1/4" round top punch with a wide enough bottom die to do an air bend. But not too wide or the sides will blow out and not conform to the radius properly.

If that minimum is not done, then the piece will just crack in half. That's how you know that products are not what they say they are.
 
Don't tell me someone used that cutout as a recovery point ...
Worse. A well known gent shows up at my house with both of them bent inward at a 45 degree angle. Tells me they failed miserably. Fast forward a couple years after I deleted the cut outs and I got the opportunity to do some work on the same rig. Careful observation revealed a pair of nice little quarter round dents on the inside face of the cutout down at the bottom of the forward slot that perfectly matched what you create if you used them with ratchet strap trailer tie down hooks.

Also explains why both were bent to exactly the same angle which would be very unusual if it happened on the trail. Of course, no mention was made of how they failed, just that they did. I had already made the change and thrown away 50 sets of mounts when I figured it out.
 
Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts