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Ok whatever...you’re wrong but that’s o
suicideking said:
You can use a DSP and it will definitely sound better. Though it won't come anywhere close to an aftermarket HU which is going to produce a clean signal. Instead of a crappy signal that has to be cleaned up. Again, priorities. If you must have that factory look, by all means. You're spending a lot of money on clean sound, but the initial sound (HU) is a mess.

You don't even have to get an expensive HU. A $200 Alpine would eliminate most of the headaches of the OEM HU. Especially considering the OEM HU is around 20 years old for most, definitely behind the times.
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no...but that’s ok. A head unit simply cannot reach the capability of a DSP but if that’s your view that’s ok.
 
Yeah Polyfill is really only useful with subs where you’ve had to compromise on the size of the enclosure due to space constraints. Dynamat pr sound deadening as you suggest will make a terrific difference.
SSTJ said:
Interesting post, thanks! I haven't read the four pages worth of comments yet, but will plan on trying this out. The video was very helpful, although I do worry that the second half sounded a bit boxy/muffled. Still, if I'm going to be sound-deadening the rest of my Jeep with Noico, I may as well slap some around the speaker like you did and see for myself.

What about adding any material behind the speaker? I've read that pillow filling is good for this, and currently have some stuffed behind the speakers in my overhead sound bar, and also behind the front dash speakers. Should I leave it in there if I take this approach?
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Thedogsbollocks said:
Yeah Polyfill is really only useful with subs where you’ve had to compromise on the size of the enclosure due to space constraints. Dynamat pr sound deadening as you suggest will make a terrific difference.
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Interesting. So, should I remove the polyfill from behind my sound bar speakers, and from behind my dash speakers? Is it doing any 'harm' to the sound be being there, or is it just not doing much good?
 
Leave it behind the sound bar speakers. It helps the 'woofer' in them produce a fuller sound in the mid hz zones.
 
Yes as Goatman said it won’t hurt. Still best thing is to Dyamat the inside...it’s a fiddly tight squeeze to get it in but it makes a tremendous difference.
The poly fill in you dash I’d remove that. Again here I’d use dyna mat to sort of make a tunnel...as if using a fast ring only stop channel the sound forward into the cabin and not leak out the sides in the dash.
let us know how you get on.
 
Aloha Joe said:
I had to replace a blown stock speaker in my Rubicon. Originally I had stock component speakers which were mounted in enclosed plastic boxes. I now have an 'upgraded' speaker mounted on a flat speaker adapter, and it sounds worse. I'm going to get a set of molded speaker boxes as I believe it will make a difference - I think it will sound louder and fuller for the same amount of power. I'll post back regarding my findings.

I agree that chasing perfect sound is fruitless in a Wrangler, but optimizing an installation to get the most out of what you have sounds quite reasonable to me.
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This 100%. I went from the factory 4x6 to the factory Infinity enclosed speakers in the dash, and the difference was phenomenal. Now I need to do the soundbar to match.

I too have n audiophile habit... home theater that is all yamaha, and B&W, and my HiFi is Dynaco and KEF... I do not expect any percentage of a comparison between the home systems, and any vehicle.
 
Thedogsbollocks said:
Ok whatever...you’re wrong but that’s o

no...but that’s ok. A head unit simply cannot reach the capability of a DSP but if that’s your view that’s ok.
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The audiophile purists would never use a DSP at all. But it's car audio so it doesn't matter. Never really understood the desire to throw lots of money at a space that will never be good for listening to music. All to go from bad to mediocre, or usually just loud.

But hey, we all have our hobbies.
 
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WallyWest said:
The audiophile purists would never use a DSP at all. But it's car audio so it doesn't matter. Never really understood the desire to throw lots of money at a space that will never be good for listening to music. All to go from bad to mediocre, or usually just loud.

But hey, we all have our hobbies
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As a guy who grew up building amplifiers, (vacuum tube and solid state), speakers, acoustic suspension speakers, tuners, configuring and selling very high-end audio systems for both theaters and outdoor arenas, I have to laugh at so much worry over an audio system for a Jeep. I seriously doubt anyone could actually hear the difference between a head unit and a DSP.

Few "connoisseurs" can tell the difference between what they claim to love vs. what they disdain whether it's a sound system, wine, liquor, etc. I have several first-hand funny stories about a couple friends (one was a beer snob the other was a vodka snob) who claimed they could tell the differences in their preferred beers and their preferred vodkas lol.
 
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Artsifrtsi said:
This 100%. I went from the factory 4x6 to the factory Infinity enclosed speakers in the dash, and the difference was phenomenal. Now I need to do the soundbar to match.

I too have n audiophile habit... home theater that is all yamaha, and B&W, and my HiFi is Dynaco and KEF... I do not expect any percentage of a comparison between the home systems, and any vehicle.
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I am surprised to hear that the factory infinity speakers made such a difference.

I went from factory 4x6 to aftermarket 4x6 to aftermarket 5.25 (many different ones) to factory infinity and none of them made me be able to say the difference was phenomenal. :confused:

Still trying to figure out what to do. I was thinking of going back to factory 4x6. Thinking maybe the factory infinities were designed to sound best with the console sub, which I dont have, and maybe get more bass with the 4x6 (sounds laughable now that I am typing it).
 
I ordered a pair of the 3D printed 5.25” pods from eBay so I guess I will see how that works with whatever variety of speakers I can find at autozone, advance auto, walmart for testing.
 
Jerry Bransford said:
As a guy who grew up building amplifiers, (vacuum tube and solid state), speakers, acoustic suspension speakers, tuners, configuring and selling very high-end audio systems for both theaters and outdoor arenas, I have to laugh at so much worry over an audio system for a Jeep. I seriously doubt anyone could actually hear the difference between a head unit and a DSP.

Few "connoisseurs" can tell the difference between what they claim to love vs. what they disdain whether it's a sound system, wine, liquor, etc. I have several first-hand funny stories about a couple friends (one was a beer snob the other was a vodka snob) who claimed they could tell the differences in their preferred beers and their preferred vodkas lol.
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A friend calls it "Psycho-acoustics". Monster cable, cryogenically treated wire, amps placed on special feet, etc, etc, etc.
 
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For all you audiophiles I have a project in mind.

I want to install a vintage JBL Paragon system in my TJ.

:D

And if anyone is interested I have a bunch of vintage JBL drivers (8" & 15")
I think I'm gonna get rid of. The 8" are from the JBL 4612 recording studio reference speakers
 
Jerry Bransford said:
As a guy who grew up building amplifiers, (vacuum tube and solid state), speakers, acoustic suspension speakers, tuners, configuring and selling very high-end audio systems for both theaters and outdoor arenas, I have to laugh at so much worry over an audio system for a Jeep. I seriously doubt anyone could actually hear the difference between a head unit and a DSP.
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While not for theaters or outdoor arena's I built amps for my various guitar set ups. Tubes, wiring, wrapping amp cores, etc. as well. Nothing like sitting in my 3 bedroom house back in the day in front of a Marshall Half Stack figuring out the harmonics of some new strings through a pedal and tone bender. Or putting 2 Peavy VT 50's on a series with a jury-rigged delay run through the tone bender....

Huh.... what's that you say.... :ROFLMAO:

This should explain why just about any decent set up in a Jeep sounds fine to me....
 
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Rooscooter said:
While not for theaters or outdoor arena's I built amps for my various guitar set ups. Tubes, wiring, wrapping amp cores, etc. as well. Nothing like sitting in my 3 bedroom house back in the day in front of a Marshall Half Stack figuring out the harmonics of some new strings through a pedal and tone bender. Or putting 2 Peavy VT 50's on a series with a jury-rigged delay run through the tone bender....

Huh.... what's that you say.... :ROFLMAO:

This should explain why just about any decent set up in a Jeep sounds fine to me....
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Ha that's some museum quality stuff you're talkin' about right there! 🤣
 
I'm just happy I can hear my speakers in the Jeep with the top off, and with marine speakers hopefully they won't be totally ruined if I get caught in a quick rain shower. The fact that I can plug in an aux cord is also a plus. Trying to achieve audio greatness in a vehicle such as a TJ is a losing battle.
 
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WallyWest said:
The audiophile purists would never use a DSP at all. But it's car audio so it doesn't matter. Never really understood the desire to throw lots of money at a space that will never be good for listening to music. All to go from bad to mediocre, or usually just loud.

But hey, we all have our hobbies.
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Lol...you live in a museum. I’m done with you. I’m not encouraging you to give completely crap and utterly wrong advice.
I’m out!
 
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