Dan should go for a drive without his shocks installed and report back on how floaty, bouncy and uncontrolled the ride is. Then he can do the same with his other set of springs and see if he can tell a difference.
But he won't do that.
Which coil springs are the softest for a lifted TJ?
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But he won't do that.
Sorry, a 1" change in ride height doesn't mean running out of travel does it?
Depends on his travel bias before the 1" change. Hes never told us what that was.
Knowing what some of us know about building shock mounts, shock tuning and setting up coilovers, you can't.
We are assuming that the OP's shocks were the correct length with the original springs to give said shock a 50/50 travel bias, or close to it. What if they weren't? Maybe 60/40? 70/30? Then you raise the jeep up an inch, and now 80/20? 90/10? You don't think that might have something to do with the way the jeep rides after the spring change without any account for the shocks ability to do it's intended job?
Spring rate and ride quality. On this site it is the third rail. Touch it at your own risk.
I give the guy the benefit of the doubt like you. You could probably tell if you were hitting the end of the travel, so could he. Also, I have seen the same thing on my Jeep so it's easy to understand where he is coming from. On my Jeep it was just driving around the block, totally obvious the ride was different.
I didn't realize you knew how to tune shocks or setup coilovers. Cool!
Silly people with six cylinders and hard tops arguing about spring rates. If anyone should be complaining about spring rates and ride it should be us four popper guys. But the only problem we really have is having to either mix springs or add spacers so we don’t ride nose high.
I have said this before if anyone was to complain about ride it should be me. I have a soft top SE running six cylinder heavy springs front and rear and I can tell you it does not ride like crap.
I have said this before if anyone was to complain about ride it should be me. I have a soft top SE running six cylinder heavy springs front and rear and I can tell you it does not ride like crap.
Based on that and past tangled arguments about the cause of stiff rides I'm changing my usual reply to those complaining their springs are too stiff. Rather than work to convince them it's their shocks causing the stiff ride I'll instead say remove your shocks and see if you still believe afterwards that your springs are the cause of the stiff ride. And post a photo showing the removed shocks.
Ima gunna go ahead and play devils advocate and turn this test around on ya. Pull them springs out and go for a drive and tell me them springs don't make no difference. Check and mate sir there's your proof lets see you argue with that!
You first. Please take video and post here.
You literally said "some of us". I would interpret that as you knowing how. If you do, great. I keep wondering why more people don't go with coilovers after seeing the costs of lift kits. Many more options with dual and progressive rate springs.
I know enough and have done enough to understand quite a few things.
Packaging and cost. But if more here would go with coilovers, they would quickly gain a better understanding of what the springs do and don't do.
I agree, but I just talked about 20 lbs of difference, more or less.
And for an average TJ, using average off the self shocks. (For the average owner)
My current "wrong" setup has a very unbalanced shock travel. 5.7" Up travel and 2.3" Down Travel. Imagine If I swap the springs and gain 1" more up travel.
I guess the best way to describe things would be: Springs can change ride quality, but only because they change the ride height so the shocks don't work at the same bias as before.
You would be untruthful to yourself if you consider that most people are aware of their shock up travel and down travel. I would assume, most of the owners run shocks just by the brand's suggestions. Many even, could run a combo springs/shocks that in case #1 springs would net a 1.5" lift, and case #2 springs would net a 3" lift. (depending on the weight of the TJ)
If we could test a theory running a 140lbs spring with exactly 2" lift, and a 150-160lbs spring with exactly 2" lift combined with the same shock which would be at near perfect 50/50 bias, I doubt any noticeable difference would happen. Let alone to make the rig ride like crap.
So, I would assume automatically, that any noticeable change (riding like crap, too much stiffer, etc) in ride quality over springs swap, would be due to change in ride height, so due to moving shocks closer to their limits (travel wise).
*I am also don't even talking about other things that might occur after changing the ride height (vibrations, etc.)