Time is money (yeah right)

This is a common problem with contractors here as the build season is so short and they bite off more than they can chew. Add to that the logistical challenges we always have here and they leave themselves on the bad side of managing expectations.
I have said many, many times- I’m in no way capable of handling extreme weather like Minnesota or weather that compresses the available time, permafrost and all that goes with it.

In Florida , and all over the south , they have an abundance of sketchy subs and contractors, doesn’t mean they are all bad - but at one time lumber suppliers liened houses or sent an intent to lien at time of material delivery- that is pretty intense.
 
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I have said many, many times- I’m in no way capable of handling extreme weather like Minnesota or weather that compresses the available time, permafrost and all that goes with it.

In Florida , and all over the south , they have an abundance of sketchy subs and contractors, doesn’t mean they are all bad - but at one time lumber suppliers liened houses or sent an intent to lien at time of material delivery- that is pretty intense.
I'm sure you're capable, you just haven't had to adapt. Here, guys build year 'round, but there are certain considerations that they have to keep in mind. Getting a house closed up before Snow flies is helpful. At least, get the roof on. Most everything here is built on a full basement because you have to go 48 inches for footings...its not much more money to just do the full basement. There are very few houses even built on slabs. Pouring concrete below freezing is possible...just gotta make sure the concrete guys know what they are doing, and bake some extra cure time into the schedule.
 
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I'm sure you're capable, you just haven't had to adapt. Here, guys build year 'round, but there are certain considerations that they have to keep in mind. Getting a house closed up before Snow flies is helpful. At least, get the roof on. Most everything here is built on a full basement because you have to go 48 inches for footings...its not much more money to just do the full basement. There are very few houses even built on slabs. Pouring concrete below freezing is possible...just gotta make sure the concrete guys know what they are doing, and bake some extra cure time into the schedule.
Basements get a bad rap sometimes but they are really the perfect residential building solution if done well and truthfully American houses were Never built on slabs or crawlspaces originally...Crawlspace construction really was never even deliberately planned it was just a byproduct of elevated homes that later got mechanical systems that needed to be protected- And you haven’t lived until plumbing fails under a slab.

One problem we have is builders do things so many different ways they don’t become great at any of them.

But the lack of technical knowledge is another conversation.

I had an interesting afternoon... I did a job for years ago for a family that the mother has dementia and she has full-time nurses and the family lives out of state. The job was a little bit out of the service area and there was some pressure because of the condition of the Elderly homeowner and a lot of dynamics with a different caretakers who did not want the Remodel to take place even though it would make their job easier- There were a couple of things on my end that did not go well and one of those was we could not get a painter to listen and do the things that the contract stipulated ...And firing the painter or anybody these days is not easy when you don’t have a replacement. Anyway the job is beyond out of warranty, And this is the work that we did not even perform. But I am there only contact and the only person I can count on To help take care of the property.


There is one nurse who is the rock in the whole situation and she contacted me that the drains had backed up - We did not do the drain system but they just don’t have any connections and nobody would even return her calls ....Once I got my truck going again I went down there and opened up the system at the clean out and took a shot but the most that I could go was 40 feet with what I had...She is OK until the morning with the system open at the clean out and I’ve got my full-time plumber there first thing tomorrow. I’ll tell you what- everybody needs to respect plumbers. I probably will not be able to eat a Baby Ruth bar again for a year.

I believe everybody needs something to feel good about in order to get up and keep going forward in life and I get The deepest satisfaction from knowing that I did something that made someone’s life a little better....And help them have confidence that things would be OK.

I got scolded by a boss one time because he said I wanted every customer to be completely taken care of and things to be just near perfect.

He eventually went out of business.

Being self-employed is in no way a joy ride but if there is one thing that you can do is that you can operate based on your gut instinct and convictions....( of course in construction most of those convictions are felony convictions😆😆)

I will not be bashful -my goal with my business is to build a legendary reputation- We have succeeded with that and we have to work every day to continue to succeed- We seldom even bid against other contractors, We charge five to $10,000 just to get on our schedule and develop a job- And we have people beating our door down. Most of the credit goes to me waking up at 26 years old and making some better decisions and a lot of people from all over the United States being willing to give me good advice, And a group of faithful people that show up every day and help me do this.
 
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Now this is an interesting topic. Over my life I've had a few instances where I thought my own time on this planet was over. Those brushes with the end made me realize, as defined by Einstein, time truly is relative. Because this basically means that the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference, I've learned it's important to carve life up into prioritized time "reference zones" (RZ). Each zone, faith, family, friends, work, giving back, and self each get an allotment of time. The time and energy applied to each is relative to their importance. I know what that order is and don't let a lesser important RZ overpower a more important one. It's a simple formula I wish I would have learned decades ago, because some things are simply more important than others!
 
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The best lesson I’ve learned is to turn down jobs where I can’t make decent money or I got the feeling the client is a pain in the butt. When I started off I took everything that came into the door. Also your lack of planning does not make it an emergency for me.

I’m retired now and have all the time in the world and my stress level is 0.
 
Now this is an interesting topic. Over my life I've had a few instances where I thought my own time on this planet was over. Those brushes with the end made me realize, as defined by Einstein, time truly is relative. Because this basically means that the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference, I've learned it's important to carve life up into prioritized time "reference zones" (RZ). Each zone, faith, family, friends, work, giving back, and self each get an allotment of time. The time and energy applied to each is relative to their importance. I know what that order is and don't let a lesser important RZ overpower a more important one. It's a simple formula I wish I would have learned decades ago, because some things are simply more important than others!
Many people just bounce along and never figure that out-
None of us are going to play our game perfectly all the way, But it is sad to know that people wake up and they realize they cared about the wrong things and they spent their time on the wrong things and about the time they have this realization they have little or no time left.

I have always had this nagging thought in the back of my mind that it is very possible before we leave this world that we will get And astonishing realization of how we could’ve done things different and how much power and control we really had over our destiny.

It is really informative to look at good quotes from older people and you will see some consistency show up- One of the universal things that you will see is not to worry because usually over the process of time people realize all the things they worried about either didn’t happen or didn’t even happen close to the way they were worried about happening.

I know a guy who I spent most of his energy trying to be a step ahead of everybody else, and then his son has destroyed his life on dope and his daughter has married a nut case- 2 things he never considered have consumed their lives, money and happiness- all the network marketing schemes, diet regimens, business schemes, end of the world stockpiling and financial wizardry ( he was actually on some of Dave Ramsey’s testimonials) are ashes, Covid just nearly killed him and he has no health insurance, a stint in his heart and no retirement and on shaky ground financially it seems - he is 60. He is a bright guy too. Really is. Just lost sight of what really mattered.
 
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The best lesson I’ve learned is to turn down jobs where I can’t make decent money or I got the feeling the client is a pain in the butt. When I started off I took everything that came into the door. Also your lack of planning does not make it an emergency for me.

I’m retired now and have all the time in the world and my stress level is 0.
You are 100% right and one of the keys to being successful is to develop that keen sense of reading people-

I used to do the same thing and really I understand it to an extent- A person needs to get out there And get started and find out what the excel at - And realistically the best place to learn everything you just said is out there in the market. One of the keys is to learn it before you put yourself out of business or it drives you out of your mind. I went through some miserable situations to figure that out.

If a person does not exhibit good character or temperament or economy of motion, or no one ever has done anything right that worked on their house- You need to politely, professionally pass.
 
I generally have to ask "what's next?" - this guy is NOT proactive with comms. His responses are generally OK, but he seldom gives more info that what was asked, and sometimes less than that. Here is the latest message from him:

"Stucco next week. He promised Wednesday at the latest.

We have called in for the rough inspection of the framing and exterior windows/doors. That happens Tuesday. After that we can insulate the walls and put up furring strips.

Once that is done we will remove the wall and do the electrical. "

I had also asked him about an interior door and the door knobs. No response on that. So I asked AGAIN. This time he answered about the door, but I still don't have an answer about the Goddamned knobs. Drives me nuts - just answer the questions!
he probably doesn't realize that doors need knobs, he'll figure it out after it gets installed !
 
I'm sure you're capable, you just haven't had to adapt. Here, guys build year 'round, but there are certain considerations that they have to keep in mind. Getting a house closed up before Snow flies is helpful. At least, get the roof on. Most everything here is built on a full basement because you have to go 48 inches for footings...its not much more money to just do the full basement. There are very few houses even built on slabs. Pouring concrete below freezing is possible...just gotta make sure the concrete guys know what they are doing, and bake some extra cure time into the schedule.
Don’t want to go too far off on a tangent but it it’s interesting how things differ by region. Slab on grade with in floor heat has become the popular thing here Part because this is the land of 10,000 lakes so we have a high water table and not so great ground so they think there is less excavation to do.
 
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M...usually over the process of time people realize all the things they worried about either didn’t happen or didn’t even happen close to the way they were worried about happening.
WORD. I've always been that way, but far more as I've gotten older.
 
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he probably doesn't realize that doors need knobs, he'll figure it out after it gets installed !
Well, we had discussed the knobs last week - now who knows? They'll probably show up tomorrow or Tuesday, its just annoying that he's so disorganized. Otherwise, he's a great guy, doing a great job, blah, blah, blah.

There was also a death in the company - which is family owed, etc, etc - that screwed things up for about 2 weeks - can't fault them on that. Half their workforce came down with the CCP virus, etc, etc...
 
I've seen the kind of shit work contractors do. i was helping a buddy of mine who worked for the state to install plumbing and air lines in a barn being built by a contractor. being a barn the ceiling joist were 48" on center and was going to have a plywood ceiling, now this barn was like 90'x50'. they put 2x4 strips 90 ft long to attach the plywood to. and all the way down the 50ft wall were 4 ft 2x4's toenailed for a fir strip ( now they didn't stagger them, 1 on one end then the next on the other end, all the joints on 1 end) i got there early one morning and looked at that and scratched my head "WTF". well the next day they were installing the metal roof and the builder stepped on that 4ft 2x4 with 2 nails toed in on each end and fell 12ft to the floor ( yep he got a trip to the hospital, a few broke ribs, a bad knot on his head and a broke collar bone ) so he's out for awhile and his workers came alone. now they put up the plywood on the ceiling (which had the same odd 4 ft pieces) and where did they end every 4ft piece of plywood on the ceiling ? on the exact same fucking spot that had the short fir strips WTF ? now they had access up there for storage and i told my friend to make damn sure he never ever steps on that last 4 ft of the ceiling. i wouldn't hire this or any other contractor to build me a dog house, i care too much for my dogs ! atleast 75% of the contractors today couldn't nail 2 pieces of wood together ! anybody that knows which end of the hammer to hold can get a license these days !
 
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I've seen the kind of shit work contractors do. i was helping a buddy of mine who worked for the state to install plumbing and air lines in a barn being built by a contractor. being a barn the ceiling joist were 48" on center and was going to have a plywood ceiling, now this barn was like 90'x50'. they put 2x4 strips 90 ft long to attach the plywood to. and all the way down the 50ft wall were 4 ft 2x4's toenailed for a fir strip ( now they didn't stagger them, 1 on one end then the next on the other end, all the joints on 1 end) i got there early one morning and looked at that and scratched my head "WTF". well the next day they were installing the metal roof and the builder stepped on that 4ft 2x4 with 2 nails toed in on each end and fell 12ft to the floor ( yep he got a trip to the hospital, a few broke ribs, a bad knot on his head and a broke collar bone ) so he's out for awhile and his workers came alone. now they put up the plywood on the ceiling (which had the same odd 4 ft pieces) and where did they end every 4ft piece of plywood on the ceiling ? on the exact same fucking spot that had the short fir strips WTF ? now they had access up there for storage and i told my friend to make damn sure he never ever steps on that last 4 ft of the ceiling. i wouldn't hire this or any other contractor to build me a dog house, i care too much for my dogs ! atleast 75% of the contractors today couldn't nail 2 pieces of wood together ! anybody that knows which end of the hammer to hold can get a license these days !
The shortage of technical knowledge is at a critical level- all the bright young kids got pushed to college for 4 decades, now construction is a default career mostly for dopeheads. Sorry, but it is true. I got into it because I knew what the competition looked like.
 
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The shortage of technical knowledge is at a critical level- all the bright young kids got pushed to college for 4 decades, now construction is a default career mostly for dopeheads. Sorry, but it is true. I got into it because I knew what the competition looked like.
honestly neither this guy or his workers were younger. contractor was i would say in his late 40's or early 50's, 1 worker was fixing to retire and the other was a mexican in his mid 30's (i'd say he was the smartest of the bunch) ! now i dont have a construction background, but i have built a garage and now my own house, and can figure out how to fix about anything. but damn i know enough to stagger joints. and your right about the dopeheads, but i'd say alot of it is nobody takes any pride in what they do anymore (and honestly if you do you wont make it) because customers will go with the cheapest bid 99% of the time.
 
I was a union journeyman carpenter in Wisconsin back in the day. A building recession hit in the late 70s and there was no work. I moved to SoCal with my tools and did pick up work. Skills + tools will always get you enough work to get you buy. I ended working for a company until another recession hit in the early 90s. I said fuck construction and decided to find a recession proof career and went back to school to become a x-ray tech. I worked nights full time and attended school full time. No Student Loans. With 2 young kids I made sure my weekends were for them. I hate it when people say that they have no time for something. They have the time they just choose not to make it.
There are several reasons for the lack of skilled tradesmen. Schools used to have classes in the trades. My high school had Electronics, Metalwork with a foundry and full machine shop, Woodworking and Automotive. People today do not want to enter a low paying entry level position and work their way up as they acquire skills. The first day of my apprenticeship they received a semi load of lumber and I was told to take each piece restack it according to grade. It took me 2 days but I did it with no question asked. Came to find out that the apprentice who was there before me quit in less than a week and they wanted to break that record. Little did they know that I grew up on a farm and did things way harder then that. I did learn all the lumber grades and what they were used for after that. The other issue we have here is that the illegal immigrants will work much cheaper and company's take advantage of that. Finally every time there is a recession in construction skilled tradesmen find other opportunities and leave the field leaving to a loss of talent when things pick up.
 
I was a union journeyman carpenter in Wisconsin back in the day. A building recession hit in the late 70s and there was no work. I moved to SoCal with my tools and did pick up work. Skills + tools will always get you enough work to get you buy. I ended working for a company until another recession hit in the early 90s. I said fuck construction and decided to find a recession proof career and went back to school to become a x-ray tech. I worked nights full time and attended school full time. No Student Loans. With 2 young kids I made sure my weekends were for them. I hate it when people say that they have no time for something. They have the time they just choose not to make it.
There are several reasons for the lack of skilled tradesmen. Schools used to have classes in the trades. My high school had Electronics, Metalwork with a foundry and full machine shop, Woodworking and Automotive. People today do not want to enter a low paying entry level position and work their way up as they acquire skills. The first day of my apprenticeship they received a semi load of lumber and I was told to take each piece restack it according to grade. It took me 2 days but I did it with no question asked. Came to find out that the apprentice who was there before me quit in less than a week and they wanted to break that record. Little did they know that I grew up on a farm and did things way harder then that. I did learn all the lumber grades and what they were used for after that. The other issue we have here is that the illegal immigrants will work much cheaper and company's take advantage of that. Finally every time there is a recession in construction skilled tradesmen find other opportunities and leave the field leaving to a loss of talent when things pick up.
Beautiful- people find time for what they want to- show me where they spend time - that is what they value.

The fact that our culture looks down on it is one of the other big problems- Everybody wants Little Johnny to do white collar work and the guy on the Back hoe digging the swimming pool is making six figures-

You are a great example of being raised with a good work ethic and that benefited you when you got out in the real world and saw that there was no instant gratification and that you had to earn your living. I would just about guarantee you’ve never been unemployed for any serious length of time.

Great post, great choices.
 
I grew up dirt poor with an abusive Alcoholic father. We grew our own food and picked the dated food from the grocery store dumpsters. If you listen to some defense lawyers I should be a mass murderer. When I was young I would collect bottles for deposit, collect scrap metal, mow lawns and shovel snow. I bought my own clothes and saved for things I wanted. I left home at 17 and never looked back. This is America if you want to work you can make money. We have choices and opportunity here. I’ve always played the long game. My plan was to be retired by 55. The wife and I saved everything we could to buy our first house which we still live in. We drive our cars to the ground before paying cash for a new one. We continued to save and bought our first rental. Then we kept buying fixer uppers. I would do all the repairs myself and turning them into rentals. Rents here in SoCal are insane. We learned that it’s not what you make it’s what you do with it. It payed off in the long run and I missed my retirement goal by 1 year.
These days everyone wants to be a Kardashian and be rich for doing nothing.
 
I grew up dirt poor with an abusive Alcoholic father. We grew our own food and picked the dated food from the grocery store dumpsters. If you listen to some defense lawyers I should be a mass murderer. When I was young I would collect bottles for deposit, collect scrap metal, mow lawns and shovel snow. I bought my own clothes and saved for things I wanted. I left home at 17 and never looked back. This is America if you want to work you can make money. We have choices and opportunity here. I’ve always played the long game. My plan was to be retired by 55. The wife and I saved everything we could to buy our first house which we still live in. We drive our cars to the ground before paying cash for a new one. We continued to save and bought our first rental. Then we kept buying fixer uppers. I would do all the repairs myself and turning them into rentals. Rents here in SoCal are insane. We learned that it’s not what you make it’s what you do with it. It payed off in the long run and I missed my retirement goal by 1 year.
These days everyone wants to be a Kardashian and be rich for doing nothing.
It is amazing to me how one person will use their circumstances as an excuse to do the wrong things and another person will use them to spur them to rise above their situation and succeed. You are more of a success than the Kardashians.

I don’t know what in the world people are thinking but not only do they want their kids to completely miss the struggle but they are also actually believing that is going to happen and completely failing to prepare them.

When an 18-year-old young man does not know how to pump his own gas the parent has failed.

A person like you is always going to be OK because you learned early on how to survive and once you learn how to survive you can go anywhere and make it.

I know it will never happen but I would absolutely love to shake your hand. 🤝
 
great job @bucky (y) i also retired at 55. didn't really want to but was offered enough to make it feasible because of the chiner flu. I ended up getting 50k and 150k in a medical spending account, plus my 2k a month pension which was frozen since 2005. I was lucky because i owed nobody a dime and had pumped up my 401k my whole career. I try to teach young people to put everything they can in their 401k and when they get a raise to add to it and when their older they'll have nothing to worry about. these days if a kid is willing to work they can make a killing, but most wont work. there not willing to start at the bottom, glad to get their foot in the door and work their way up in a business they think they should be CEO on their1st day 😞. I remember talking to my mother (who passed away in 2005) and asking her what is going to happen when nobody will work and nobody is paying taxes because their not working ? seems like were close to finding out 🤔
 
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great job @bucky (y) i also retired at 55. didn't really want to but was offered enough to make it feasible because of the chiner flu. I ended up getting 50k and 150k in a medical spending account, plus my 2k a month pension which was frozen since 2005. I was lucky because i owed nobody a dime and had pumped up my 401k my whole career. I try to teach young people to put everything they can in their 401k and when they get a raise to add to it and when their older they'll have nothing to worry about. these days if a kid is willing to work they can make a killing, but most wont work. there not willing to start at the bottom, glad to get their foot in the door and work their way up in a business they think they should be CEO on their1st day 😞. I remember talking to my mother (who passed away in 2005) and asking her what is going to happen when nobody will work and nobody is paying taxes because their not working ? seems like were close to finding out 🤔
There is a great video called the millennial question on YouTube and it explains the dynamics behind the top of behavior we are seeing.

About the only consolation that I get from what I’m seeing is the fact that those of us that know how to do something and aren’t afraid to get our hands dirty have hardly any competition.

Your main competition is how early you will get up and how you manage your time and how you want to apply yourself- You can do more damage to your own bank account then all of your competitors combined.

What all of you guys have done that post things like I read above is so respectable and honorable- You wanted some ships to come in so you sent some out.
 
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