241 vs Atlas ll

[taylormade73]

I'd like to drive a similarly equipped rig side by side (auto/manual) as I have never wheeled an auto. I understand the many reasons why they may be better, even if that doesn't align with preferences, but nothing really tells like seat time. I don't currently want a lot more than I get with the 6spd and 241, but as they say - comparison is the thief of joy.

You may drive my slightly lesser equipped rig next week.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

With an auto and a light front end you just reduce throttle and it rolls back. You don't have to operate a different pedal, the skinny one does it. Automatics slip allot at idle. With a manual you have something like 90% of your max torque at idle still being applied when you let off so you have to do something extra. With an auto the torque goes to a fraction of that so the Jeep rolls back. My comment is not at all intended as one is better or worse, simply your description doesn't match my experience driving one.

I've never driven an auto TJ...what you say lines up with how I would describe driving my wifes auto 4Runner (it will roll backward off the 8% grade on our driveway without any throttle in D). Some of the statements in this thread would lead one to believe an auto is the only way to stop halfway up an obstacle and hold position. It doesn't do it on it's own, you have to gas and brake at the same time until there's enough forward power to avoid rolling back. The same can be done with a manual and a hand throttle. I originally bought the hand throttle just to have more steady throttle control, but I was about 10 minutes into my first wheeling trip with it when I realized it lets me do things I previously couldn't have done without 3 hands or 3 feet.

 

[Sancho]

I think it's primarily around the size, the atlas being a bit larger, along with the speedo output (they give you options) and a few other small customizations. That affects the crossmember/skid, tub, and driveshafts (probably).

Curious, does the tub have to get hammered a bit to make room?

 

[jjvw]

With an auto and a light front end you just reduce throttle and it rolls back. You don't have to operate a different pedal, the skinny one does it. Automatics slip allot at idle. With a manual you have something like 90% of your max torque at idle still being applied when you let off so you have to do something extra. With an auto the torque goes to a fraction of that so the Jeep rolls back. My comment is not at all intended as one is better or worse, simply your description doesn't match my experience driving one.

You accidently described a good reason why autos are advantageous for rock crawling.

 

[jjvw]

I've never driven an auto TJ...what you say lines up with how I would describe driving my wifes auto 4Runner (it will roll backward off the 8% grade on our driveway without any throttle in D). Some of the statements in this thread would lead one to believe an auto is the only way to stop halfway up an obstacle and hold position. It doesn't do it on it's own, you have to gas and brake at the same time until there's enough forward power to avoid rolling back. The same can be done with a manual and a hand throttle. I originally bought the hand throttle just to have more steady throttle control, but I was about 10 minutes into my first wheeling trip with it when I realized it lets me do things I previously couldn't have done without 3 hands or 3 feet.

The same can't be done with a manual (and a hand throttle) without slipping the clutch. And yes, I can and have done it by slipping the clutch for brief moments.

 

[rasband]

Curious, does the tub have to get hammered a bit to make room?

Someone else would have to confirm, but I think that or some people will cut the tub and make a new section.

 

[jjvw]

Someone else would have to confirm, but I think that or some people will cut the tub and make a new section.

Depends on how high you want to stuff it.

 

[B34C0N]

I've never driven an auto TJ...what you say lines up with how I would describe driving my wifes auto 4Runner (it will roll backward off the 8% grade on our driveway without any throttle in D). Some of the statements in this thread would lead one to believe an auto is the only way to stop halfway up an obstacle and hold position. It doesn't do it on it's own, you have to gas and brake at the same time until there's enough forward power to avoid rolling back. The same can be done with a manual and a hand throttle. I originally bought the hand throttle just to have more steady throttle control, but I was about 10 minutes into my first wheeling trip with it when I realized it lets me do things I previously couldn't have done without 3 hands or 3 feet.

My auto TJ does not roll back on an incline in drive with no throttle in almost all situations.

 

[pagrey]

I've never driven an auto TJ...

I figured.

 

[pagrey]

when the front end gets light

My auto TJ does not roll back on an incline in drive with no throttle in almost all situations.

This is what we are talking about if you missed it.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

With an auto and a light front end you just reduce throttle and it rolls back. You don't have to operate a different pedal, the skinny one does it. .

My auto TJ does not roll back on an incline in drive with no throttle in almost all situations.

So which is it?

 

[mrblaine]

I've never driven an auto TJ...what you say lines up with how I would describe driving my wifes auto 4Runner (it will roll backward off the 8% grade on our driveway without any throttle in D). Some of the statements in this thread would lead one to believe an auto is the only way to stop halfway up an obstacle and hold position. It doesn't do it on it's own, you have to gas and brake at the same time until there's enough forward power to avoid rolling back.

Why does the brake enter into it? When you leave from a stop at an intersection with an auto equipped vehicle, are you putting your foot on the brake to make it go?

Most autos will move the rig on flat ground and as that grade changes to where the rig will no longer move forward, all it takes is a very slight increase in throttle to either hold it in position or begin forward movement. The brakes don't enter into that at all just like you don't need to apply the brake to leave from a stop at an intersection.

The same can be done with a manual and a hand throttle. I originally bought the hand throttle just to have more steady throttle control, but I was about 10 minutes into my first wheeling trip with it when I realized it lets me do things I previously couldn't have done without 3 hands or 3 feet.

It only looks the same, it is not the same. There is a vast difference between holding position on an obstacle and moving slightly forward, back, and changing how the rig is behaving on an obstacle to see if it is going to be in trouble or whether a successful traverse is possible.

 

[NashvilleTJ]

Wait - you guys let off the throttle? Huh….



Blaine - I assume it’s JV, but what trail is that you described above?

 

[mrblaine]

Wait - you guys let off the throttle? Huh….



Blaine - I assume it’s JV, but what trail is that you described above?

That used to be the Z turn near the top of upper Big Johnson. Then they ran a few KOH races over it and it's completely blown out now. You can now drive right through that spot and never even know it used to be a pain in the ass.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

Why does the brake enter into it? When you leave from a stop at an intersection with an auto equipped vehicle, are you putting your foot on the brake to make it go?

Most autos will move the rig on flat ground and as that grade changes to where the rig will no longer move forward, all it takes is a very slight increase in throttle to either hold it in position or begin forward movement. The brakes don't enter into that at all just like you don't need to apply the brake to leave from a stop at an intersection.

It only looks the same, it is not the same. There is a vast difference between holding position on an obstacle and moving slightly forward, back, and changing how the rig is behaving on an obstacle to see if it is going to be in trouble or whether a successful traverse is possible.

That's making more sense now. Thanks for the explanation.

I'm about 1300 miles from JV, and I like shifting too much.

 

[Mike_H]

I dunno guys...I have a manual and I'm getting old and lazy. An auto might be better for wheeling, but I'm switching to an auto because I'm old, lazy, and don't want to drive a jeep that sounds like it has a box of gravel in the transmission tunnel anymore.

 

[Irun]

does the 241 have a future? i can't find anyone that sells 241J's, either they don't bother or don't have any.
does it have a future if you can only get parts and depend on salvage to acquire 1?

At this point the 241 is becoming something of a dinosaur. I used to see and buy them routinely. Now, I rarely ever see one for sale. When I do they are north of $3K. At that point I'll buy an Atlas. The chance I'd ever wear that out or break it is slim to none!

 

[Irun]

I'm old, lazy, and don't want to drive a jeep that sounds like it has a box of gravel in the transmission tunnel anymore.

You're still younger than many of us!

 

[Mike_H]

You're still younger than many of us!

Tell that to my knees and feet when I get up in the morning!

 

[freedom_in_4low]

When I do they are north of $3K.

well...$#!+.