Full Tuck or Super 35 and Locker?

$2931 to do the rear only, for a new Dana 44, 35-Spline, 4.56 gears, E-Locker, and ancillary stuff, sticking with drum brakes.

https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-16588364-dana-489-tj-rear-bolt-in-axle-assembly-35-spline.html

It would probably be another $800 at least to up the gears in the front
So for $400-$500 more you could have a Dana 44. You could easily offset a big chunck of cost by selling your factory Dana 35 locally or eBay.

Notice that its a 489 meaning it uses the even bigger next gen Dana 44 ring and pinion which is a huge plus. Might want to consider that in your price comparison.
 
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75% of the off-road Jeep world hates the 35 period, the others do minor trails or say the Super 35 is a valid ticket.

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you: You're looking to buy another TJ. You have three identically equipped rigs to choose from, equal in every regard except this: One has a stock Dana 35, one has a Super 35, and the last one has a Dana 44. Which one are you going to choose? My entire point is focused on that of resale, and n o t h i n g more. I don't want to partake in the pissing contest at all. It's all been said before. But no one has pointed out the resale issue. If 75% of your potential future buyers hates the Dana 35 (your numbers, @JMT, not mine), then I'd want to bear in mind that I'd do better at luring in that 75% with something other than a Dana 35. I guarantee (in as much as I can guarantee anything) that the 25 % who are fine with a Dana 35 would be even more "fine" with a Dana 44. So now you've satisfied that 25%, as well as the 75% who won't even consider a Dana 35. That's 100% marketability, as my simple mind sees it. Bear in mind that you may have absolutely no intentions of ever selling your TJ, but you know the saying: "Life is what happens while you're making other plans".
Just my thoughts on the issue. Please continue... :icon_popcorn:
 
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Well, I guess that I need to ditch my SE for a Rubicon. Bummer. She's a good little Jeep, and very faithful.

The Dana 35 vs. Dana 44 discussion can go on forever. It's like springs and shocks. Or control arms. Or headlights. Or winches.

The bottom line is always: Does it work for you and your Jeep? The answer to that question is truth. Everything else is opinion.
 
Hope no one takes offense to my comments regarding "resale". None intended. Just a subject not broached yet, and I thought it worth a mention.
Didn't offend me at all. The hole in your resale argument is the vast majority of Jeep owners couldn't tell a Dana 35 from a 14 bolt. How many threads do we see that start out "What rear end do I have?" or the like. The TJ most always comes first, before the questions about components. If that weren't the case, there are a lot of horribly built TJ's out there that would be selling for south of $4,000. That's not the case though.
 
Didn't offend me at all. The hole in your resale argument is the vast majority of Jeep owners couldn't tell a Dana 35 from a 14 bolt. How many threads do we see that start out "What rear end do I have?" or the like. The TJ most always comes first, before the questions about components. If that weren't the case, there are a lot of horribly built TJ's out there that would be selling for south of $4,000. That's not the case though.
Lack of knowledge: a factor I hadn't considered. While that does shoot a hole in my "100% marketability" statement, I do have to wonder how big of a hole. From some of the questions that show up on this forum from the newest of the new, it could be sizable, yes. So, with taking what you pointed out into consideration (and I thank you for doing so!), I guess my viewpoint would more accurately be geared toward those potential buyers that are either educated, or opinionated. Hmmm...wonder how big a number that could be?!? :D
 
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Lack of knowledge: a factor I hadn't considered. While that does shoot a hole in my "100% marketability" statement, I do have to wonder how big of a hole. From some of the questions that show up on this forum from the newest of the new, it could be sizable, yes. So, with taking what you pointed out into consideration (and I thank you for doing so!), I guess my viewpoint would more accurately be geared toward those potential buyers that are either educated, or opinionated. Hmmm...wonder how big a number that could be?!? :D

Sadly, I was one of those uneducated folk that bought a TJ with the mindset that I wanted a jeep, with a manual trany, 4.0L, AC, hard top, and bone stock. I knew nothing of Dana 44's, transfer cases, disc brakes and all that other important stuff an educated buyer should have known. Granted, I bought my jeep 13 years ago, so maybe fewer jeep forums to learn from.
 
Sadly, I was one of those uneducated folk that bought a TJ with the mindset that I wanted a jeep, with a manual trany, 4.0L, AC, hard top, and bone stock. I knew nothing of Dana 44's, transfer cases, disc brakes and all that other important stuff an educated buyer should have known. Granted, I bought my jeep 13 years ago, so maybe fewer jeep forums to learn from.
I don't profess to be knowledgeable on the issue by any stretch of the imagination. I just researched the fool out of the differences between the two, as I needed to either repair or replace my damaged Dana 35. It was that research that ultimately lead me here to this forum. That in itself made my $**** purchase of the Dana 44 ultimately worth it. Eventually, in a dialog with Chris, he pointed out the increased resale value. This did my heart good, as it was something I had considered, but was not entirely sure of the validity. I have since come to believe that there is a certain amount of truth to that way of thinking. Oh, and my wife said to just buy the Dana 44, and I never argue with a woman!
 
For me it was not the question of resale as I never plan on selling my 2006 TJ. It will be a one owner TJ for as long as I can breath lol. I wanted to build something I did not have to worry about down the road. I save up for what I believed was something I was not going to outgrow any time soon or ever for that matter.

The way I see it is people ask for advice and help. We are all different and have different opinions in the matter based on our own personal experiences and expertise. We all are not going to agree that is just the nature of the beast but I see no reason to badmouth anyone for giving their own opinion. Things like that hurts a forum more than help as some people could choose not to comment because of the possibility of backlash. The beauty of a forum is that vast resource of personal experiences we all bring in. I always listen to all the advice I get and make my own educated decision after analyzing all the advice I was given and that is all we can do. :beer-toast1:

Sadly, I was one of those uneducated folk that bought a TJ with the mindset that I wanted a jeep, with a manual trany, 4.0L, AC, hard top, and bone stock. I knew nothing of Dana 44's, transfer cases, disc brakes and all that other important stuff an educated buyer should have known. Granted, I bought my jeep 13 years ago, so maybe fewer jeep forums to learn from.

I was in the same boat back in 2006 when I decided to drive mine off the lot. I too opted for a bare bone Wrangler X (Manual, AC and 4.0). I never new some like the sport had a Dana 44 or that there was even an option :). I wheeled it as it was and with advice of experienced wheelers that I had become great friends with I opted to go with new axles. Those good friends of mine we not just everyday average jeepers they had been around in the sport for many years and wheeled everywhere from east coast to the west coast.
 
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I suppose you could pose a debate for either mod. Guess it depends on where you wheel. I got hung up on my belly wheeling stuff like this
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If my belly was up 2", vs. 2" bigger tire, IMO, I would have had better luck getting thru certain obstacles. As far as needing drive shafts with a TT, unless you're going completely flat I don't think you'd need longer ones, but I could be wrong there.
If I were on 31's following you on 33's, I probably pick my own lines vs. following yours. Not that your lines are bad or anything.
Math says you’d be right at the TCase skid, since a 2” larger tire will only yield 1” at the skid. Which is exactly the kind of reasoning behind my original post! Great minds think alike
 
Math says you’d be right at the TCase skid, since a 2” larger tire will only yield 1” at the skid. Which is exactly the kind of reasoning behind my original post! Great minds think alike

Either way you look at it, it's a tough choice to prioritize which one to do first.
 
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Either way you look at it, it's a tough choice to prioritize which one to do first.
Tires are easy for the average Jeeper. Adding a SYE and driveshafts is much more complicated. I think it scares most off, especially if the are do it yourselfers, like many of us are. It can and has been done, of course, just lots of steps
 
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So for $400-$500 more you could have a Dana 44. You could easily offset a big chunck of cost by selling your factory Dana 35 locally or eBay.

Notice that its a 489 meaning it uses the even bigger next gen Dana 44 ring and pinion which is a huge plus. Might want to consider that in your price comparison.
Then I have to do the front, which is another 1050 Bare bones. So that’s got me at the 4 Grand Mark, plus 250 s/h
 
Tires are easy for the average Jeeper. Adding a SYE and driveshafts is much more complicated. I think it scares most off, especially if the are do it yourselfers, like many of us are. It can and has been done, of course, just lots of steps

Your build is reaching a turning point. You are at the difficult decisions point, cause what comes next costs a lot of coin, and is tough to reverse if you get it wrong. Trust me on this.
 
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Math says you’d be right at the TCase skid, since a 2” larger tire will only yield 1” at the skid. Which is exactly the kind of reasoning behind my original post! Great minds think alike

For what you are running, going totally flat would be the only way to go. For my type of use, adding a couple inches clearance is really all I need. So, depends on your usage, as always.

As far as the rear end "controversy," anything can be broken. I have no direct experience with the 35 but have seen several busted when I was in the business. But the S35 didn't exist then, those broken were factory stuff. But, I also saw many busted 44's as well. Back then the 44 was considered barely adequate for hard core wheeling. Most went with a beefed 9" Ford or Dana 60. The introduction of hardened alloy axles changed all that. Back then it was simply build as big as possible.
 
Your build is reaching a turning point. You are at the difficult decisions point, cause what comes next costs a lot of coin, and is tough to reverse if you get it wrong. Trust me on this.
I totally agree, either way is a lot of coin to drop for me. By the way, I did find a way to make some more money this year, so that’s solved, as long as I do the job! But, I think the advice that strikes me most is RESPONSIBLE Wheelin. If I break that Dana 35 on the trail I need a way to get out. Best thing is to prevent that from happening with the Super35 and go ahead and regear and lock it while I am there. The next year I could easily do the TT myself
 
HP Dana 30 and 4.56 gears to match the rear
@bobthetj03 is absolutely right. If there is a way to purchase in phases I say go with your heart after doing all your research. Either way you go here, it will take your Jeep in the right direction.

That is what’s great about all this, we can debate and share our opinions all day and night. At the end of the day your Jeep build will make you happy with either way you go with it.
 
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