What did you do to your TJ today?
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Praying for you bud! You've got a family here pulling for you!!
Thanks brother I appreciate everyone’s support and love. I really like this forum and most of the people on it too lol
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Good to hear you haven't lost your sense of humour.... As my mum used to say allot when I'd get banged and scars etc while growing up....."don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash"..... although yours may need 2 washes
Hang in there mate.
Damm dude. Stay strong, let us know if we can do anything to help.
You’re probably right, but you know the guy who ignores the “only use mopar” advice isn’t going to drop $120 when there is a potential DIY remedy out there.
Also, I already have a set of replacement fenders with the color-keyed flares (and the matching rear flares) so I have that in my back pocket.
Good to hear you haven't lost your sense of humour.... As my mum used to say allot when I'd get banged and scars etc while growing up....."don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash"..... although yours may need 2 washes
Hang in there mate.
My dad used to say “just think how much better it‘s gonna feel when it quits hurting”…
Glad you survived ! , Prayers for your recovery , and for your wife not to be too worried. Take care.
Thanks brother. She’s been a champ through it all besides the first night lol I think my positive vibes helped her to be cool through the craziness
Prayers to and for you here brother.
Your attitude makes me feel you will fully recover.
Your attitude makes me feel you will fully recover.
Yes, I have the thimbles made right here in SoCal from 6061 T6 round bar stock. They are the original. Before I did them, there was zero aftermarket special terminations for the business end of the line for recreational users.
I splice and lock stitch every single line that leaves here. If you opt for the drum loop so the line can't come off of the winch drum, I splice that eye and then splice it into the winch line.
Is this the description under the Freedom Winch Line you were looking at?
If so, one would assume with as long as info has been around dispelling the myths surrounding synthetic lines that they would update some of that.
Let's start with the stretch thingy. Here is the chart from Plasma themselves. Note the % of elongation at the % of max break load. At 1.25% @ 40% of MBL, that means the above is simply not true. Also note that the elongation or stretch at break is 4-5%.
The torque free part touting it as more likely to drop to the ground is also bogus. Torque refers to the wind up or un-wind up of non woven twisted strand ropes like are commonly used for mooring lines. Under load, they unwind and when they part or break, that produces a spinning action that wads them up some. The vast majority of synthetic are a 12 strand braid or weave. That automatically reduces to torque to near zero simply due to the individual strands crossing back and forth over each other in the weave.
This is a cotton conventional twisted rope under some break tests. The numbers aren't important but what you can see is the ends rotating as the rope is stretched. That is what is referred to as torque and those are very short sections of line.
They did get the breaking strength comparison correct, sortof. While 3/8" steel wire rope does generally break around 15,000 lbs, and 20,000 for the Plasma is roughly 30% higher, very few of the smaller capacity winches in the 6-9500 lbs. size run 3/8" line. The vast majority are shipping with 5/16" wire rope which has a breaking strength of around 9800 lbs. Their statement would be more accurate if they said their line is twice as strong as the wire rope found on most 9500 lb and smaller winches.
We prefer the slightly less capacity 3/8" line gives us due to it having a bit more abrasion resistance in the form of being able to wear more of it away before it gets down to a diameter where the breaking strength is equivalent to our original wire ropes.
Sexy indeed
since my jeep is white I might get the raw aluminum but black would be a nice offset I guess 
Gotcha the info is very much appreciated and I learned something new as well about ropes!
Another question would the loop on your line just bolt on to the side portion of the drum of the winch with precaution of putting it on right ? Or is there some sort of washer that has some sort of groove so that the line won't get damaged
Here's what I'm talking about
But the Freedom winch line I was referring to is from the website posted below https://bleepinjeep.com/product/freedomline/
Here's some info that I'll quote:
"Freedom Winch Lines are HMPE High Molecular Weight Polyethylene."
"OPTIONS:
• 3/8″ 90ft for Jeeps and Trucks with Winches up to 10,000 lbs / MTS – (Minimum Tensile Strength*) is 15,000 lbs."
Gotcha the info is very much appreciated and I learned something new as well about ropes!
Another question would the loop on your line just bolt on to the side portion of the drum of the winch with precaution of putting it on right ? Or is there some sort of washer that has some sort of groove so that the line won't get damaged
Here's what I'm talking about
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But the Freedom winch line I was referring to is from the website posted below https://bleepinjeep.com/product/freedomline/
Here's some info that I'll quote:
"Freedom Winch Lines are HMPE High Molecular Weight Polyethylene."
"OPTIONS:
• 3/8″ 90ft for Jeeps and Trucks with Winches up to 10,000 lbs / MTS – (Minimum Tensile Strength*) is 15,000 lbs."
Looks like it will work just fine for you. It will be interesting to see if he follows through on the patent process after his 1 year patent pending expires. Doubtful since I don't see 20-30 grand profit in the line sales to break even on the patent costs.
Damn, I really hate seeing this happen. Wish you a speedy and full recovery.
My job is working with companies to install guarding to prevent this from happening. Hard guarding, light curtains, area scanners and full custom solutions.
I’ll be in WV this week talking machine safety with a prospective client.
Yeah true not that much demand for that product to break even.
But honestly I'm going with your line since I find the other one to be sorta gimmicky functional but gimmicky ,I could see myself using it but I like simplicity,and your winch line is simple and functional
To add in a rare emergency where someone needs a winch and I'm not close I want someone to use it not ask me how the hell this works (i.e Freedom winch line) just to save someone, I'd rather have something that's common to where they/I can just simply use it and not have to think about how to use it in those urgent moments where you could be under pressure!
Again simplicity is best!
Yeah true not that much demand for that product to break even.
But honestly I'm going with your line since I find the other one to be sorta gimmicky functional but gimmicky ,I could see myself using it but I like simplicity,and your winch line is simple and functional
To add in a rare emergency where someone needs a winch and I'm not close I want someone to use it not ask me how the hell this works (i.e Freedom winch line) just to save someone, I'd rather have something that's common to where they/I can just simply use it and not have to think about how to use it in those urgent moments where you could be under pressure!
Again simplicity is best!
My rules are pretty simple and basic. If I won't use it, I won't sell it. With the minor exception of my tail lights, I try to keep my stuff based upon the principle of everything you need and nothing you don't.
Yeah true not that much demand for that product to break even.
But honestly I'm going with your line since I find the other one to be sorta gimmicky functional but gimmicky ,I could see myself using it but I like simplicity,and your winch line is simple and functional
To add in a rare emergency where someone needs a winch and I'm not close I want someone to use it not ask me how the hell this works (i.e Freedom winch line) just to save someone, I'd rather have something that's common to where they/I can just simply use it and not have to think about how to use it in those urgent moments where you could be under pressure!
Again simplicity is best!
To address the drum attachment question above. Very few folks really understand what is going on there and the nuance thereof and it is extremely important if you value keeping the line attached to the drum no matter what.
The drum attachment using the small screw that goes into the side plate has a range of issues, none of which are good.
The screw corrodes in place and is a bitch to remove.
The attachment of an eye to the line for the screw is very problematic. Lots of wiring terminals get crimped onto the ends of both steel and synthetic lines. What happens with those is the winch line under load is very similar to a round steel bar in stiffness. If the lower layers are not full to the attachment side and packed very tightly, then under load on a slight side pull, the line slides right down the side of the drum and wipes the line right out of the crimped end.
I'd seen a lot of lines on drums with that end poking out and when I asked the owners about it, they all said they had never winched out far enough for the line to spin on the drum and pull it out but yet they figured that was what caused it. It wasn't until I watched a few winching in and peel the line out of the crimp that I figured out what the problem was. So, I don't use that method ever. Do something, do whatever, but don't depend on that little screw and crimp fitting to keep the line on the drum if you accidentally get it out too far.
