Will 33s fit with no lift?

[Apparition]

You might be right on that - but the comparison was what I was looking for.

Just to further clarify, I post those just to show everything isn't so cut and dried. There are options and some are good and some are bad. My jeep is better after the lift but I'd have no trouble doing moderate offroading exactly how that setup was.

I'd much rather have the extra clearance under my diff than the half inch I'd lose to a bumpstop that should have been in there. Different people do different things.

It seems many are quick to tell people they are flat out wrong but there are gray areas and I honestly think people learn more by failing than following.

Part of the reason I moved over to this forum is a mod on another that continued to tell me I was wrong until I called him out for his BS and then the thread got locked and he went back and edited everything he said.

Further info, mine are the aluminum fenders I doubt that makes any difference and the rears are the ones cut for 37's. Everything else was stock except wheels and tires. I really like all my Metalcloak gear, great support and service and I wouldn't hesitate to use them if I did another TJ. Probably won't build another, won't sell my LJ either.

 

[T_Hase89]

Guys- I’ll clear this up. I need to following for science:

Currie 4”
33’s
35’s (I’ll use mine)

AEV Highline Kit
Genright HLs
Metalcloak Wannabe HLs
Chinesebay Flatties

Who’s donating? I promise lots of pictures.

 

[JMT]

Guys- I’ll clear this up. I need to following for science:

Currie 4”
33’s
35’s (I’ll use mine)

AEV Highline Kit
Genright HLs
Metalcloak Wannabe HLs
Chinesebay Flatties

Who’s donating? I promise lots of pictures.

Are you suggesting a GoFundMe? YOU need more of a sob story. But honestly, it might be worth it to prove it.

 

[T_Hase89]

Are you suggesting a GoFundMe? YOU need more of a sob story

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#SobPosum

 

[skrelnik]

Are you suggesting a GoFundMe? YOU need more of a sob story. But honestly, it might be worth it to prove it.

Glad to see the happy face emoji, for a moment I thought you were turning into an angry old man.

 

[JMT]

Glad to see the happy face emoji, for a moment I thought you were turning into an angry old man.

Thanks for your concern for my well-being and happiness.

Sometimes I just get tired of BS.

 

[billiebob]

This is Taylor Jean. She’s 16 years old and has been diagnosed with POSUM (Previous Owner Sketchy Upgrade Mods). She’s spent her life helping people and putting a smile on their face but has gone down hill from the POSUM and can use your help. By donating here, www.metalcloakisntahighline.com, you can help her help more people and fix this POSUM diagnosis. With only a small donation of $20 a month, or with the parts mentioned above, you can help feed her and we will send you a free T-shirt sometime within the next decade.

#SobPosum

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This the pic of why up travel is not always important, some of us wheel terrain where LCG is what counts,
plus an LS.

I'd pay $20 for 5 minutes of WOT.... even as a passenger.

 

[skrelnik]

Thanks for your concern for my well-being and happiness.

Sometimes I just get tired of BS.

I hear ya, it's the forums so you have to let it go. I have my pet peeves as well, like not amplifying the Polk speakers, but to each his own.

Don't let these forums do this to you...

 

[Westtown Willy]

People are way too uptight about these issues, whether it’s up-travel, tires, axles, joint types, winches…

Some of us don’t have the optimum, anything, in/on our TJs such that it would satisfy the purists among us. Threads like this always make me wonder why any of them care what the rest of us do.

Seems to me the defining result in this entire operation is the breadth of the smile of the guy behind the wheel, even when his jeep is built wrong.

 

[JMT]

People are way too uptight about these issues, whether it’s up-travel, tires, axles, joint types, winches…

Some of us don’t have the optimum, anything, in/on our TJs such that it would satisfy the purists among us. Threads like this always make me wonder why any of them care what the rest of us do.

Seems to me the defining result in this entire operation is the breadth of the smile of the guy behind the wheel, even when his jeep is built wrong.

Well, someone starts a thread looking for education. Then people give misinformation. That only confuses the thread starter and others who read it later. If the thread starter wanted a smile, he would have asked how to get one.

 

[Fouledplugs]

People are way too uptight about these issues, whether it’s up-travel, tires, axles, joint types, winches…

Some of us don’t have the optimum, anything, in/on our TJs such that it would satisfy the purists among us. Threads like this always make me wonder why any of them care what the rest of us do.

Seems to me the defining result in this entire operation is the breadth of the smile of the guy behind the wheel, even when his jeep is built wrong.

The example I saw somewhere on this forum made a great point.

When modifying a vehicle, why go backwards in performance? Why would someone “upgrade” without taking the basics into consideration? Seems most people go backwards based on a goal of looks. Or a lack of true understanding. I guess all this to say, some folks are just trying to HELP.

 

[Westtown Willy]

two cases in point ^^.

People the world over are happy all the time doing things wrong, or not the way you'd do it.

My entire profession is based upon giving professional advice. Often in matters far more important than whether or not you'll be satisfied with your Chinese winch, or whether you have enough splines on your axle shaft. I give the advice. It's on the recipient to take it, or not. There may have been a point in time I got upset when it was not. That was a long time ago.

 

[skrelnik]

The example I saw somewhere on this forum made a great point.
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When modifying a vehicle, why go backwards in performance? Why would someone “upgrade” without taking the basics into consideration? Seems most people go backwards based on a goal of looks. Or a lack of true understanding. I guess all this to say, some folks are just trying to HELP.

My counter to this is I would never tell someone they are doing something wrong when it is not wrong, just not the most optimal set-up. When upgrading audio, like adding new speakers that want more juice than the OEM head unit can provide. Not adding an amplifier, or not upgrading the head unit because they like the look of the stock head unit, is not optimally correct, but not wrong. Mixing up the positive and negative speaker wire inputs is wrong, just like putting 40" tires on with no lift is wrong.

If I want 33"s but love the look of my stock springs, can I still fit 33"s, yes I can, they will fit, but it is far from optimal. That's how I feel about not amping up your new Polk's, just as wrong, but really it's not wrong, it's just not optimal.

I have the 2" OME lift and I'm still on stock tires because this forum has warped my fragile little mind!

 

[skrelnik]

two cases in point ^^.

People the world over are happy all the time doing things wrong, or not the way you'd do it.

My entire profession is based upon giving professional advice. Often in matters far more important than whether or not you'll be satisfied with your Chinese winch, or whether you have enough splines on your axle shaft. I give the advice. It's on the recipient to take it, or not. There may have been a point in time I got upset when it was not. That was a long time ago.

Exactly - well said. Like in the rusty bumper thread you recommended a procedure for that OP, and what stood out to me is you recommended PB blaster, which I also use for any rusty bolt removal over here in New England. Stuff is a miracle at removing those rusty bolts.

But some on this forum will tell you it's wrong to use PB Blaster, and Kroil is by far the best and only penetrant one should use.

This is a heavily opinionated forum and the OP needs to read through all answers to make the best decision they can make.

 

[JMT]

two cases in point ^^.

People the world over are happy all the time doing things wrong, or not the way you'd do it.

My entire profession is based upon giving professional advice. Often in matters far more important than whether or not you'll be satisfied with your Chinese winch, or whether you have enough splines on your axle shaft. I give the advice. It's on the recipient to take it, or not. There may have been a point in time I got upset when it was not. That was a long time ago.

Well, since I failed to communicate, I guess I’ll try again. I didn’t think this thread was about happiness. If it was I would agree with you.

I don’t see what’s so hard about understanding that if my stock tires were 29” and I want to go to 33”, that logically I need to make up the difference in height with all that entails. But I know, I’m getting too serious talking about facts.

 

[tworley]

Lots of grumps in this thread

 

[Ephry73]

That was a good read. I started reading this thread because of the title. I too have 33" tires on a 2.5" + biscuit lift and some other mods. I know the previous owner of my TJ didn't do much and cut some corners, and that the owner before him is who performed the lift and mods. That said, I purchased the TJ because it had some great parts and ran well and I knew it needed some maintenance upkeep.

The OP on this post obviously wants better looks and a more aggressive stance, and seems to not be too interested in running MOAB, Dunes or mudding. Being that it doesn't look like the OP will be offloading seriously, we should aim to keep him safe on the road.
Brake upgrades with taller tires as well as properly set alignment and parts should be something to look at before even getting the bigger tires. Bigger tires put more load on your brakes and this taxes the heck out of the stock braking system. I know we all love the fact that the Jeep can go anywhere, but the first Jeeps, and even the CJs weren't lifted at all, and still conquered three fourths of the world. Some of which are still running in a semi-stock form.

I'm new here, I know. Personally, I am doing a 3.5" lift without the biscuits(I like the way the TJ sits now and how it rides, and don't want to mess that up too much) in the Spring, since I really don't know and/or can't tell what brand springs and shocks are on this thing and I enjoy knowing what I'm running, but maintenance comes first and I have a list of things to tackle. Those 33" are big tires, just not as big as the popular 35" or the 37", but still require clearances and proper planning to be safe, in case you hit a pothole on the road, or something.

All that said, this as always was very informative. Let us keep waving at each other on the road and enjoy our little do it alls

 

[YourWorstEnemy]

I guess I’ll be the asshole who says there are some new assholes on the forum blowing smoke up people’s ass. The shit of it is that people want bigger tires without doing the work to run them properly. Another way of saying that is they want cheap shit. That’s your choice, of course, but if your pre-inclined to an answer like 0-3” and you can run 33’s, don’t ask the question to begin with. People who know what they are talking about, and it doesn’t take a genius to know who they are, are giving sound advice and being ignored. The forum quality is lessened and the tenor changes.

In the end, the question, can I run 33’s on no lift is the wrong question. The question should be, what is the proper setup for running 33’s. But that’s already answered in the Lift Guide.

More like differences of opinion not knowledge or experience...some have run 2.5 - 3 inches of lift with 285s and 33/12.5s on 2 different TJs with factory flares and flat flares with no metal trimming and have not had any difference in ride quality (daily drove 20 min each way on rough country roads) or performance on what we wheel on...moderate 3 rated (out of 5) star trails with ledges and rocks on hill climbs...some have 4 inch lifts with bumps etc and adjustable control arms all around and aftermarket wheels etc. we can all live together and appreciate each others opinions without taking offense or saying someone is less important or of lower value than someone else.

 

[YourWorstEnemy]

Are 4 inch lifts more expensive than say 2.5?

I’m not against lifting it higher. I’m just struggling with how I’ve took it a few places and they’re all not overly concerned on it requiring a lift (this is a service they offer so there’s money in it for them) or they’re saying a lift under 3 inches.

I’m not undervaluing the opinions of those knowledgeable in this thread. In fact I’ll be discussing the kings raised with the shop I eventually choose.

Thanks

Yes they are more in most cases because a 2-2.5 inch does not require a SYE on the transfer case or driveshaft work which alone $1K if its a nice SYE kit installed by a professional. 2.5 does not require control arms or castor changes in most scenarios either which is many hundreds more for a 4 inch lift. Both my jeeps had stock control arms and drove just like they did stock because I did not change much.

 

[JMT]

saying someone is less important or of lower value than someone else.

I never said that. I said I was an asshole and they were assholes. That makes everyone equal value. I could never deprecate a human lower than myself.

It's great you are sharing your opinion. I never claimed anyone's experience wasn't true or their subjective evaluation of what was true. But numbers are numbers, math is math, physics is physics, and nobody's opinion matters in such things. Jeep suspension was engineered by engineers. It had nothing to do with their opinion. It had to do with knowledge.

There's no difference in clearance between flat flares and stock flares. That's fact, not opinion.

For the record, anyone can build their rig how they want, I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is people not cycling their suspension and then saying things like, "I'm running 2" of lift with 33's and getting no rub." Sorry, but that's just not true on anyone's TJ. It is not mathematically possible. And yes, we all know 33's run 32.7" or so when they come from the factory, then get smaller every time we drive them.