Rock sliders mounting location

[Midtenn]

Still isn't enough.

Post in thread 'Frame Mounted vs. Body Mounted Sliders?'
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/frame-mounted-vs-body-mounted-sliders.19520/post-316608

I found this old post of yours trying to do more research. This is exactly what’s happening to me. Thanks for posting this way back, I rather had know what to search for in the beginning...but mine is even doing the rust thing at the paint that I need to somehow fix now as well.

 

[Midtenn]

Picture of tub deflection that was referenced in the thread.

This sucks.

 

[antwon412]

I would think you could probably give it a couple tabs with a rubber mallet. It’s just thin sheet metal.
Or when you reinstall your new ones and put the bolts in five or six spots it should be nice and tight again.

 

[mrblaine]

I would think you could probably give it a couple tabs with a rubber mallet. It’s just thin sheet metal.
Or when you reinstall your new ones and put the bolts in five or six spots it should be nice and tight again.

No

 

[Lax22]

Picture of tub deflection that was referenced in the thread.

This sucks.

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I recommend reading the slider thread but if it were me I’d give the holes a few whacks with a pall peen hammer to get rid of the raised areas. Then hit them with paint and reinstall the sliders of your choice. It’s really not as bad as you think and once you get your sliders installed correctly you will not notice it and soon forget it was even an issue. Might not be the best way to deal with it but it’s hard fixing the previous owners laziness. Some good body mounted sliders like the JCRs or Savvy’s would be a good choice.

 

[Midtenn]

I would think you could probably give it a couple tabs with a rubber mallet. It’s just thin sheet metal.
Or when you reinstall your new ones and put the bolts in five or six spots it should be nice and tight again.

So when I had the slider off, I realized what that won't make sense long term. Adding bolts here won't help. When standing on the step, it the bottom of the step acts as a fulcrum and pushing up against the body-mounting bolts and away from the tub. What I could do (if I wanted to be cheap and just cover the holes with something that looks like it goes there is buy the version of these sliders without the step. It won't do much but over the holes, but there is that. I think this design would work okay as a decorative item if you don't use a step.

 

[Midtenn]

I recommend reading the slider thread but if it were me I’d give the holes a few whacks with a pall peen hammer to get rid of the raised areas. Then hit them with paint and reinstall the sliders of your choice. It’s really not as bad as you think and once you get your sliders installed correctly you will not notice it and soon forget it was even an issue. Might not be the best way to deal with it but it’s hard fixing the previous owners laziness. Some good body mounted sliders like the JCRs or Savvy’s would be a good choice.

Right...and that's the way I'm thinking to go. Using a step that utilizes the body-mounting bolts and tub is not a good idea, it appears. I am curious why this approach is so popular.

 

[mrblaine]

So when I had the slider off, I realized what that won't make sense long term. Adding bolts here won't help. When standing on the step, it the bottom of the step acts as a fulcrum and pushing up against the body-mounting bolts and away from the tub. What I could do (if I wanted to be cheap and just cover the holes with something that looks like it goes there is buy the version of these sliders without the step. It won't do much but over the holes, but there is that. I think this design would work okay as a decorative item if you don't use a step.

It is a shit design. If it didn't have that little logo on it, the whole internet would be laughing and pointing fingers at the crappiest mounting system devised.

 

[mrblaine]

Right...and that's the way I'm thinking to go. Using a step that utilizes the body-mounting bolts and tub is not a good idea, it appears. I am curious why this approach is so popular.

If it didn't have that little logo on it, it wouldn't be.

 

[Midtenn]

It is a shit design. If it didn't have that little logo on it, the whole internet would be laughing and pointing fingers at the crappiest mounting system devised.

Mine doesn't even have a logo...was the logic/explanation right about my observation? I want to be sure I'm clearly understanding what I'm observing.

 

[Midtenn]

If it didn't have that little logo on it, it wouldn't be.

Or are you saying the JCR is a bad design as well?

 

[mrblaine]

Mine doesn't even have a logo...was the logic/explanation right about my observation? I want to be sure I'm clearly understanding what I'm observing.

The body mounts can't trap the lower edge of the slider properly. Sheet metal is thin, you have to use lots of small fasteners and a backing plate to make it do anything important. Yes, your observations are accurate.

 

[Mike_H]

Or are you saying the JCR is a bad design as well?

JCR Crusader isn't as bad as most on the market, but their mounting leaves a LOT to be desired. I have them and they work for me. Not a useful step, but they are a useful slider. You need to increase the number of fasteners, drill a bunch more holes, etc. The tub side ones are OK (I'm sure @mrblaine disagrees) but the ones they have on the bottom are a shit design. They run bolts from 3/16" steel, through the torque tube (unsupported) and the floor, and then bolt to a backing plate. Yeah, they won't tear through...but a 3/8" bolt will generate PLENTY of force before its properly torqued to compress and squish the torque box...which is bad.

I'm going to install mine differently on my new tub. Working out the details, but it will involve many nutserts into the torque box vs going all the way through into the floor. I may or may not have a copy of the Savvy rock slider install directions that I will crib notes from

 

[mrblaine]

JCR Crusader isn't as bad as most on the market, but their mounting leaves a LOT to be desired. I have them and they work for me. Not a useful step, but they are a useful slider. You need to increase the number of fasteners, drill a bunch more holes, etc. The tub side ones are OK (I'm sure @mrblaine disagrees) but the ones they have on the bottom are a shit design. They run bolts from 3/16" steel, through the torque tube (unsupported) and the floor, and then bolt to a backing plate. Yeah, they won't tear through...but a 3/8" bolt will generate PLENTY of force before its properly torqued to compress and squish the torque box...which is bad.

I'm going to install mine differently on my new tub. Working out the details, but it will involve many nutserts into the torque box vs going all the way through into the floor. I may or may not have a copy of the Savvy rock slider install directions that I will crib notes from

I only disagree if you plan to use them as intended. Use them as intended and there is a set of rules to follow that works.