I get why people are buying $50K+ new Wranglers

Apparition said:
And you can get the half ton for less money.
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Another good point but I guess I'm just picky and I want to only own Jeeps, I've owned Chevrolets, Volkswagens, Mazdas, and slew of others, I kind of just want to have a pickup truck that suites my needs. The other thing I believe about the Gladiator is that they are going to make parts for it for a very long time, another reason I love my TJ Wrangler, parts are not hard to come by.

My brother, who is not a car/Jeep guy, has a 2012 Escape and we are starting to run into a problem of not being able to find parts for his SUV. He gets frustrated about it and asks why I don't have those issues. I've told him, his Escape is a disposable SUV that Ford doesn't expect to be around forever. It was never meant to be a forever vehicle.
 
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Apparition said:
And you can get the half ton for less money.
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I got my new at the time 2019 3500 Denali with the Duramax for 68k... not really that much more than a Gladiator for more than 2x the truck!

But they are for different purposes obviously. I will say, I love that Duramax, the torque is insane and it just drives so easy. Also, getting 13mpg when hauling both a Jeep and camper.... try that in a gas engine! Hell that's better than my LJ gets on it's own.
 
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RustyAutoholicGuy said:
Another good point but I guess I'm just picky and I want to only own Jeeps, I've owned Chevrolets, Volkswagens, Mazdas, and slew of others, I kind of just want to have a pickup truck that suites my needs. The other thing I believe about the Gladiator is that they are going to make parts for it for a very long time, another reason I love my TJ Wrangler, parts are not hard to come by.

My brother, who is not a car/Jeep guy, has a 2012 Escape and we are starting to run into a problem of not being able to find parts for his SUV. He gets frustrated about it and asks why I don't have those issues. I've told him, his Escape is a disposable SUV that Ford doesn't expect to be around forever. It was never meant to be a forever vehicle.
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Ford is having trouble sourcing parts for their new stuff.

But, for $50k Andre’s hybrid F150 on TFL Truck is a hell of a rig. FX4 but needs different tires. Onboard 7k generator and its 450HP with 570 lb ft of torque.

Not as off-road worthy as a Rubicon but it’d hang with the other gladiators.

And it doesn’t help I think the new jeeps are pieces of shit after having them as rentals
 
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One more thing, the diesel gladiator can only tow 4500 lbs or is it 6500, I’m seeing both numbers posted.

The gas gladiator tows more.
 
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Apparition said:
One more thing, the diesel gladiator can only tow 4500 lbs or I’s it 6500, I’m seeing both numbers posted.
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Everything I see says higher... (except for the Manual I guess)

This is from a CNET review, I've seen others that agree with it...
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Diesel engines are great for towing, but due to some engine cooling issues, Jeep actually recommends pulling a maximum of 6,000 pounds with the Gladiator Rubicon EcoDiesel. That's a full 1,000 pounds less than a truck equipped with the 3.6-liter V6. Payload drops a bit, too, from 1,160 pounds in the gas truck to 1,075 in the EcoDiesel.



Also found this chart online:
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DaveF said:
Everything I see says higher... (except for the Manual I guess)

This is from a CNET review, I've seen others that agree with it...
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Diesel engines are great for towing, but due to some engine cooling issues, Jeep actually recommends pulling a maximum of 6,000 pounds with the Gladiator Rubicon EcoDiesel. That's a full 1,000 pounds less than a truck equipped with the 3.6-liter V6. Payload drops a bit, too, from 1,160 pounds in the gas truck to 1,075 in the EcoDiesel.



Also found this chart online:
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You’ll eat the payload quickly too.
 
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DaveF said:
I got my new at the time 2019 3500 Denali with the Duramax for 68k... not really that much more than a Gladiator for more than 2x the truck!

But they are for different purposes obviously. I will say, I love that Duramax, the torque is insane and it just drives so easy. Also, getting 13mpg when hauling both a Jeep and camper.... try that in a gas engine! Hell that's better than my LJ gets on it's own.
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Yeah I can attest to my LJ Rubicon getting 12.8mpg on interstates, it does better at 55mph though.

Like you said it's all about what your requirements are. For my requirements, the Gladiator checks all the right boxes.

SvtLdr said:
Don't for VIN / PIN numbers and HOT WATER HEATERS! :ROFLMAO:
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I'm trying to think of examples and I'm drawing a blank honestly!

Apparition said:
Ford is having trouble sourcing parts for their new stuff.

But, for $50k Andre’s hybrid F150 on TFL Truck is a hell of a rig. FX4 but needs different tires. Onboard 7k generator and its 450HP with 570 lb ft of torque.

Not as off-road worthy as a Rubicon but it’d hang with the other gladiators.

And it doesn’t help I think the new jeeps are pieces of shit after having them as rentals
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Honestly everything comes down to personal preference, I wouldn't buy that F150 that was on TFL, it's just not my thing. Again personal preference, one of the best features for me is the ability to take the doors and top off on the Gladiator.

DaveF said:
Everything I see says higher... (except for the Manual I guess)

This is from a CNET review, I've seen others that agree with it...
quote:
Diesel engines are great for towing, but due to some engine cooling issues, Jeep actually recommends pulling a maximum of 6,000 pounds with the Gladiator Rubicon EcoDiesel. That's a full 1,000 pounds less than a truck equipped with the 3.6-liter V6. Payload drops a bit, too, from 1,160 pounds in the gas truck to 1,075 in the EcoDiesel.



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Yeah I know cooling is the concern which I fully expect someone to come out with a kit for that adds additional cooling for the turbo, engine and transmission to address those issues.

-Grant
 
RustyAutoholicGuy said:
Yeah I can attest to my LJ Rubicon getting 12.8mpg on interstates, it does better at 55mph though.

Like you said it's all about what your requirements are. For my requirements, the Gladiator checks all the right boxes.



I'm trying to think of examples and I'm drawing a blank honestly!



Honestly everything comes down to personal preference, I wouldn't buy that F150 that was on TFL, it's just not my thing. Again personal preference, one of the best features for me is the ability to take the doors and top off on the Gladiator.



Yeah I know cooling is the concern which I fully expect someone to come out with a kit for that adds additional cooling for the turbo, engine and transmission to address those issues.

-Grant
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Yeah, door and top removal is hard to beat. I wouldn’t buy his either but I like 4 figure torque numbers in my truck.

New cooling won’t change the sticker on the door. Plus if Jeep can’t figure it out why buy one?
 
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RustyAutoholicGuy said:
This hit me last night while I was trying to figure out everything I needed to do to wrap up my build on my diesel swapped TJ. I've wanted a diesel Wrangler ever since I got my Diesel Liberty back in 2014, that Jeep really changed my understanding of torque vs horsepower. I'm not saying diesel is the best style of engine for everyone, there are times where you want to have horsepower when you are wheelings, I just not that type of driver.

So just out of curiosity I went to Jeep's site last night and built what would be my ideal Wrangler just to see how expensive it would be and while it is expensive it wasn't as much money as I thought it would be.

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Looking at that price compared to what I paid for all my Jeeps I've gotten in the last 4 years and especially for the amount of money I've dumped into my diesel swap which I'm now on my second driveline setup, I could have very easily spent a little bit more money and just gotten a new diesel Wrangler JL and my family could have easily fit in it as well.

My kids are really getting too big for my LJ and after how long I've been building my TJ, I'm no longer sure what I'm going to be doing with my LJ. I still absolutely detest the NSG370 6-speed manual, that transmission makes no sense to me at all.

I don't know, I think the lack of wheeling I've done over the last 2½ years is really catching up to me now and I'm still having to do so much to my TJ to get it finished isn't helping either.

Point being I get why people are not getting TJs and going with JL instead. I won't sell my TJ, too much work when into it and I really think it's the perfect size for the type of wheeling I do, especially for where I live as well. With that said though if I was just getting into a Wrangler and I knew I wanted a diesel, I would not have gotten a TJ, I would have gotten a diesel JL instead.

-Grant
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Completely understand where your coming from and good point!
 
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RustyAutoholicGuy said:
Yeah I can attest to my LJ Rubicon getting 12.8mpg on interstates, it does better at 55mph though.

Like you said it's all about what your requirements are. For my requirements, the Gladiator checks all the right boxes.



I'm trying to think of examples and I'm drawing a blank honestly!



Honestly everything comes down to personal preference, I wouldn't buy that F150 that was on TFL, it's just not my thing. Again personal preference, one of the best features for me is the ability to take the doors and top off on the Gladiator.



Yeah I know cooling is the concern which I fully expect someone to come out with a kit for that adds additional cooling for the turbo, engine and transmission to address those issues.

-Grant
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It's just sad that Jeep didn't do a better job of implementing the Diesel... instead of beefing other things up to allow for more payload/towing capacity with the better engine, they just put the heavier engine in place, which effectively lowers your capacities.


Can't say they aren't the only ones to do it though... if you really want the maximum advertised tow/haul capacity for any truck these days, you have to buy a 2wd, 2door, short box without all the luxury package addons... and good luck finding one!
 
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DaveF said:
It's just sad that Jeep didn't do a better job of implementing the Diesel... instead of beefing other things up to allow for more payload/towing capacity with the better engine, they just put the heavier engine in place, which effectively lowers your capacities.


Can't say they aren't the only ones to do it though... if you really want the maximum advertised tow/haul capacity for any truck these days, you have to buy a 2wd, 2door, short box without all the luxury package addons... and good luck finding one!
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That’s why you custom order. Heck, you can get a better deal on the order than the lot.
 
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Apparition said:
Yeah, door and top removal is hard to beat. I wouldn’t buy his either but I like 4 figure torque numbers in my truck.

New cooling won’t change the sticker on the door. Plus if Jeep can’t figure it out why buy one?
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Jeep didn't put a diesel in the TJ but I figured it out :cool:, I guess that one just doesn't worry me as much, again I'll mostly be towing a 2200lb CJ-2A with an aluminum trailer, so even the lower tow ratings isn't going to affect me.

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Completely understand where your coming from and good point!
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Thanks!

DaveF said:
It's just sad that Jeep didn't do a better job of implementing the Diesel... instead of beefing other things up to allow for more payload/towing capacity with the better engine, they just put the heavier engine in place, which effectively lowers your capacities.


Can't say they aren't the only ones to do it though... if you really want the maximum advertised tow/haul capacity for any truck these days, you have to buy a 2wd, 2door, short box without all the luxury package addons... and good luck finding one!
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☝️agreed on Jeep's implementation of the diesel, I really do think it could have been done better.

DaveF said:
Also, ultimately you do you... buy what makes you happy as long as you understand what you have and it's limits!

Trucks are like Jeeps, there is no one model/manufacturer/build that will satisfy every need/taste!
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My thought as well, I know what I want to be able to do with my next "truck" and the Jeep makes sense for my use cases.

DaveF said:
Not when you buy like I did... buy a 2019 when the all new model 2020's are being shipped already and dealers are franticly trying to get rid of them... 20k+ off list + 0% financing... hard to beat.
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I don't think that usually happens with Jeeps, but if it did that would be great, but if I'm going to spending that kind of money I'd want to find one that had every feature and colors that I want, in that regard I'm WAY too picky.

On the opposite side of that spectrum, I bought my LJ which was not my favorite color or transmission for the price, having done that, I'd pay to have the features and colors I'd want the next time.

-Grant
 
DaveF said:
Not when you buy like I did... buy a 2019 when the all new model 2020's are being shipped already and dealers are franticly trying to get rid of them... 20k+ off list + 0% financing... hard to beat.
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But mines a 21 with no financing bought well under actual invoice and exactly how I wanted it.
 
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DaveF said:
I was actually thinking about buying one as my next truck until I decided to put a 2300lb slide in camper in the bed and tow 6000lbs behind it at the same time :)
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I know my F150 wasn’t happy towing my LJ on an aluminum trailer so now I have a 1 ton diesel to do it. But I only have a RTT for the bed.
 
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