Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available

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lots of info in there and fun to interpret even give some info on pinion angles and rear steer IIRC.
i used it a lot to learn to figure pinion control or movement through my cycle, or at least an idea of it.
This is my first experience even thinking about geometry and it’s really cool. I dive into all areas of my life like this so it only makes sense that I ended up here with Jeeps too lol.
 
I still don't follow the obsession in this thread about rear steer. I don't shy away from tough obstacles and haven't really found it something that I specifically want (nor need) to address.
I don’t know if rear steer affects anything meaningful performance wise but it is really nice to not have to trim the wheel opening to account for the tire being pushed back during articulation.
 
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the idea of being able to change holes with the upper CA's to influence control is not bad, and might work for some field trips. and could maybe flop from DD set to a better trail set up or climber.
the problem is most don't wanna bother with a sway disco never the less move a link.

i do have 1 lower hole on my rears uppers mount, IDK if i'll have reason to ever use or not. and i never calc'd what it's change would do, it was an afterthought b4 mounting.
 
the idea of being able to change holes with the upper CA's to influence control is not bad, and might work for some field trips. and could maybe flop from DD set to a better trail set up or climber.
the problem is most don't wanna bother with a sway disco never the less move a link.
🤐 Don't say this too loud, I commented about this a while ago and people didn't like it. I find it to be a silly proposition by Dave for the reason you mentioned.
 
the idea of being able to change holes with the upper CA's to influence control is not bad, and might work for some field trips. and could maybe flop from DD set to a better trail set up or climber.
the problem is most don't wanna bother with a sway disco never the less move a link.

i do have 1 lower hole on my rears uppers mount, IDK if i'll have reason to ever use or not. and i never calc'd what it's change would do, it was an afterthought b4 mounting.
🤐 Don't say this too loud, I commented about this a while ago and people didn't like it. I find it to be a silly proposition by Dave for the reason you mentioned.
The only reason for the multiple holes for me is to do testing, find the hole that climbs the best and leave it there. I will not switch holes between DD and trail.
 
I still don't follow the obsession in this thread about rear steer. I don't shy away from tough obstacles and haven't really found it something that I specifically want (nor need) to address.
a tall lift SA is really effected by this most and gets worse with more travel. whether it's effects can be blamed or felt is unknown to me.

droop moves 1 side of the axle in.............. rise moves the other side back, the amount is tangible
 
A 3/4” lower hole put my AS at 100% with the calculator. I can’t decide if I should go this drastic or try 5/8” lower as more of a happy medium.
 
The brackets don't do anything that is inherently wrong, as best as I can tell. What is wrong are many of the claims surrounding them leading to false expectations and poor understandings of how things work. The financial cost is low, but the effort to install these things is not low. You've seen the lengths I've gone to on mine for little improvements. I'm not afraid to put myself through a miserable hell to get some small incremental gain that I might not even realistically benefit from. Nor do I glorify these things as being something they aren't. That's where I am on mine. Knowing what I know (about shocks in particular) and in a world where I start over, these brackets are not for me because the payoff for the effort is not there.

If you can't get the geo correction on in an afternoon...
 
the idea of being able to change holes with the upper CA's to influence control is not bad, and might work for some field trips. and could maybe flop from DD set to a better trail set up or climber.
the problem is most don't wanna bother with a sway disco never the less move a link.

i do have 1 lower hole on my rears uppers mount, IDK if i'll have reason to ever use or not. and i never calc'd what it's change would do, it was an afterthought b4 mounting.
🤐 Don't say this too loud, I commented about this a while ago and people didn't like it. I find it to be a silly proposition by Dave for the reason you mentioned.

I don't imagine the difference between holes is big enough to justify moving back and forth, rather find the best position for a particular rig given it's specific build and use profile (DD, weekend wheeler, dirt every day), and leave it there.
 
A 3/4” lower hole put my AS at 100% with the calculator. I can’t decide if I should go this drastic or try 5/8” lower as more of a happy medium.
If you don't know the real weight of your rig, that little difference isn't going to mean anything. Weigh the rig and go back to the formula if you want to be more precise,
 
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A 3/4” lower hole put my AS at 100% with the calculator. I can’t decide if I should go this drastic or try 5/8” lower as more of a happy medium.
that's where i'm starting. my guestimation puts me at like 103%. and i also have the intention of hoping it will climb well.
 
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If you don't know the real weight of your rig, that little difference isn't going to mean anything. Weigh the rig and go back to the formula if you want to be more precise,
True. I’ll go weigh my rig with my trail stuff before I do any drilling
 
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