Leaking Injector?

Okay. Good info and I too have one of those sets so will check to see if I have the correct size. The OP with a 98 TJ mentions in his opening post that he tested it while running so must have a exposed valve. I will check with my local O'Reillys on the loan or maybe what they sell for a kit.
 
I plan to purchase a pressure gauge but looking at the engine I'm not sure where it hooks into the rail.
Your 2004 doesn't have a port on the fuel rail for testing pressure. 1997 - 2002 models have a Schrader valve on the fuel rail. 2003 and newer models have a pulse damper on the fuel rail, but no Schrader valve.

I see a connector to the rail for the delivery of fuel and it appears to have a disconnect that might require a tool as well.
Auto parts stores sell cheap plastic fuel line disconnect tools that work well. I have one but I can't remember what size it is.

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Well missed by that much. So I suppose I can still test the pressure coming from the pump by disconnecting the fuel line at the rail/. looking on line at test kits right now. There are 33 dollar kits and 63 dollar kits with many more connectors but I can't tell if any of them have the correct connector for this TJ.
 
Your 2004 doesn't have a port on the fuel rail for testing pressure. 1997 - 2002 models have a Schrader valve on the fuel rail. 2003 and newer models have a pulse damper on the fuel rail, but no Schrader valve.


Auto parts stores sell cheap plastic fuel line disconnect tools that work well. I have one but I can't remember what size it is.

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somewhere around that year.. I have both on my 03
 
I'm building a test fixture to once-and-for-all rule out the fuel rail as the point of pressure leak down.

I have a new fuel pressure regulator to install on the fuel pump based on the fast leak down, since the manual points to that as a likely cause of losing pressure quickly, if it's not an injector leak. (Which makes me believe a lot of people are replacing the pumps when the regulator is the only issue.)

Given that this is the third time around on a slow crank issue, what is the downside, if any, of installing an inline check valve just after the outlet from the regulator, provided I periodically check for proper pump function by doing a pressure test to make sure it's still in the 49 + 5 psi spec'd range?

Here's what I'd use:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08JJ128LN/?tag=wranglerorg-20
 
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The fuel pressure regulator is rarely the sole cause of that problem, its main job is to relieve excessive fuel pressure. I've replaced just the FPR a couple times to try to fix that problem years ago but only replacing the actual fuel pump ever truly fixed it. There's a check valve inside that fails which allows fuel that is supposed to remain up at the top of the engine for fast starts to instead drain back down into the fuel tank. The slow start is how long it takes the pump to get fuel back up to the engine.

I would buy the entire fuel pump/FPR assembly as a unit and make sure to avoid the cheap crap made by companies like Spectra, Airtex, or any of the store brands like are sold by Autozone. This is a PITA job to do so you don't want to have to redo. A Spectra I installed years ago lasted me all of 13 months, one month past its warranty.

The ONLY brand of fuel pump I'll recommend is Bosch which is also who is the OEM for the factory fuel pump. My Jeep can sit two months without being started but it'll start up instantly every time since installing the Bosch 3-4 years ago. Amazon.com is a great source for the Bosch fuel pump, just make sure to check the p/n that it is correct for your model year.

Last hint... to reduce the time it takes to crank the engine before it starts, cycle the ignition switch on-off-on 6-8 times before turning the switch to start. That'll give the fuel pump more time to get fuel back up to the engine.

These two photos show when I replaced just the FPR... it didn't fix the problem. The fuel pump is below inside the gas tank and is what the FPR is inserted into.

But if your TJ is a 2005 or 2006, they are integrated into just one module so they are not replaceable separately.

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Any idea if the 2004 has the same setup as the 2005/06? I received the test gauge set today and will be testing it tomorrow but if I need to pull the tank I want to have the Bosch unit(s) here before starting the job.
 
Any idea if the 2004 has the same setup as the 2005/06? I received the test gauge set today and will be testing it tomorrow but if I need to pull the tank I want to have the Bosch unit(s) here before starting the job.
If you are asking about the fuel pump, no. If you are talking about injectors, I'm pretty sure those are interchangeable for different year models.
 
My research today shows 2003 and 04 are the same pump. The Bosch complete pump 67726 and/or module 69316 were available on Amazon but could not be shipped to my address. After speaking to Amazon on line, they say Bosch does not ship to my zip code. Maybe because it's Kalifornia.??? So I began a search that led me to Rock Auto, who WILL ship to my address (at least so far) but to get a better rate I selected the 8-10 days delivery. Rounded up to 210 smackers. I don't want to just replace the pump module and have to do this again. Local NAPA had a Bosch module but not the pump. Could get the entire pump tomorrow but counter man said theirs are Carter or Delpi, so I'm thinking Delphi and I see on this forum they have not been great. Did I mention I don't want to do this again?

Seems these are a problem based on the number of folks having issues and on the Bosch site they recommend not overheating the pump by allowing the tank to go below a quarter full. Not always possible obviously.

So hopes this all works out and helps someone else. And if these are only a two year production pump maybe I need another one on the shelf? Likely Bosch will stop making these as demand fades. Thanks again for the diagnostic help from members.
 
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As far as I know rebuilt injectors are just cleaned and are supplied with new orings. I found a local shop(in Fraser, mi) that cleaned and inspected for $10 each.
 
Seems these are a problem based on the number of folks having issues and on the Bosch site they recommend not overheating the pump by allowing the tank to go below a quarter full. Not always possible obviously.
This is not an issue with our Jeeps, you can run it all the way out of fuel without risking damage to the pump. You wont overheat anything or suck in debris from the bottom of the tank or anything else. Those things float around on the internet but aren't something you need to worry about.
 
My 98 has a schrader valve. I just happened to have an old set of R-22 freon gauges that one of the lines fit. I kept them hung high during the test and open for drying after using. Good luck to you.
 
I'm building a test fixture to once-and-for-all rule out the fuel rail as the point of pressure leak down.

I have a new fuel pressure regulator to install on the fuel pump based on the fast leak down, since the manual points to that as a likely cause of losing pressure quickly, if it's not an injector leak. (Which makes me believe a lot of people are replacing the pumps when the regulator is the only issue.)

Given that this is the third time around on a slow crank issue, what is the downside, if any, of installing an inline check valve just after the outlet from the regulator, provided I periodically check for proper pump function by doing a pressure test to make sure it's still in the 49 + 5 psi spec'd range?

Here's what I'd use:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08JJ128LN/?tag=wranglerorg-20

Did you ever try this? I think I'm having the same issue and want to try it but I'm not sure on the efficacy or longevity. At this point it seems my only option for a full replacement of the pump is a delphi and the reviews on them seem to be pretty mixed so I might avoid it if possible.

I saw someone else did this a 4 years ago with a yj on youtube: but he hasn't updated since a couple comments on the video 3 years ago.