All year 231s used a geared input. Only the 241 had the tone ring.
241 vs Atlas ll
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I wouldn't do a 241 personally, they are big and heavy at least compared to a 231, some parts are unavailable and they are just too expensive for what they are. Personally I'd get an automatic before I got an Atlas, it pretty much eliminates the need for a fraction of the cost. Just something to consider, I know people really get attached to the transmission type.
I did a flipped Dana 300 and a NWF Ecobox. This gives you options of stock low range or 7-1, or even lower if you opt for the 4-1 gears for the 300. Twin sticks. I did mine for around $2400 with out the 4-1 gears. The D300 is a great option if your running the manual trans.
How does an automatic make it so you don’t need a lower range out of your transfer case?
The torque converter provides what is effectively an infinity low first gear. The other thing an auto can do is allow you to give just enough throttle to stay at the limit of traction without spinning tires. That level of control is not possible with a manual.
The low gears from a 241, Atlas, etc behind an auto only increase that level of control.
Having had 727’s and 999’s in 3 Jeeps and several high horsepower installations, a cooler will not fix a dumbass installation, but good way to smoke transmission with a torque converter not being used correctly. Go out and sit in your driveway, put in drive, hold the brakes and floor the gas pedal And see how long it takes for the smoke to come out?
The only disadvantage that I see to the Atlas is you cannot flat tow without removing the driveshafts
Yes if you read Atlas website you cannot flat tow your rig. It was the same way with the STaK's transfer case. Of course they didn't know this until I'd blown up two t-cases.
No what advanced adapter says. We put one in a early bronco a few years ago and told the owners driver to pull the driveshaft to tow it to Cabo. He didn’t and completely junked the atlas and the AOD transmission by the time he got halfway there. Now those are not completely flat but pretty close.
Assuming you enjoy shifting, having the 5:1 will make you think you have a new jeep. If you can drive a rubicon with a 4:1 and a manual.... its amazing. Dancing with the clutch goes away. If I stopped on the steepest hill, with a massive rock on the tires, I could could pull my clutch while standing on the brake and start to push through my 15" bmb kit. Worst case I'd need to give my hand throttle a hair of rpm but I haven't needed to yet in first gear. The only time I stall is when I start in 3rd instead of first by mistake.
Having an auto jlur, full disclosure I don't do as crazy of things with the jl, the feeling I get is that having an auto requires you to regulate pushing the jeep up the rock while a manual is regulating you holding from climbing the same rock. I wheel manual more so I actually feel more comfortable in it.
An auto may provide infinite low first gear but you don't need infinite gears. If you did people would say 4:1 is more than enough or 10:1 is overkill. I'd absolutely love to drive @Rescue6's jeep with 10:1 just to see what it's like but 5:1 is amazing.
Thinking about it I probably dont want to drives rescues jeep because then I'd want it
It is certainly fun. I thought it would be a novelty thing actually. I bought it because I felt my 4:1 was too low on most parts of the trails but 1:1 was not enough. So I wanted the 2.72:1 low for between obstacles or snow wheeling and the 3.8:1 for the obstacles. Turns out the 10.34:1 is amazing on some sketchier obstacles. And it does wonders when you hop out and walk alongside the Jeep to steer it. But don’t do like I do and slip on a rock fall down and run your foot and ankle over.Assuming you enjoy shifting, having the 5:1 will make you think you have a new jeep. If you can drive a rubicon with a 4:1 and a manual.... its amazing. Dancing with the clutch goes away. If I stopped on the steepest hill, with a massive rock on the tires, I could could pull my clutch while standing on the brake and start to push through my 15" bmb kit. Worst case I'd need to give my hand throttle a hair of rpm but I haven't needed to yet in first gear. The only time I stall is when I start in 3rd instead of first by mistake.
Having an auto jlur, full disclosure I don't do as crazy of things with the jl, the feeling I get is that having an auto requires you to regulate pushing the jeep up the rock while a manual is regulating you holding from climbing the same rock. I wheel manual more so I actually feel more comfortable in it.
An auto may provide infinite low first gear but you don't need infinite gears. If you did people would say 4:1 is more than enough or 10:1 is overkill. I'd absolutely love to drive @Rescue6's jeep with 10:1 just to see what it's like but 5:1 is amazing.
Thinking about it I probably dont want to drives rescues jeep because then I'd want it
What does any of that have to do with- (wait for it, look up, that's right, we are in the TJ forum) a TJ and what he is asking? I've wheeled with 100's of rigs on trails that most here will never experience nor want to and not one single time have we smoked an auto due to the torque converter not being used correctly, not once.
If you are having issues, I promise you they are not related to anything to do with an automatic transmission used offroad.
That and why do we keep having to do this? Why??
Something about Johnny Joints not working well on helicopters.
We all know that helicopters prefer duroflex bushings for the adding flex and vibration dampening.
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