Chinese Antirock

I get where you're coming from and don't necessarily disagree with your stance on most of the points about technology in vehicles (fuck blind spot monitoring and adaptive cruise), but I will say a backup camera is something that has only proven itself to be beneficial for me. Granted I don't mind a screen on the dash, although I don't want a giant one. But I'd much rather the convenience of a camera than not have it. Speaking from driving my truck here though, where depth perception makes it really hard to tell how close you are to something you could potentially back into. Camera makes it super easy to back up really close to things for parking or getting out of a tight spot. I have not found children running around really a reason for me to have one although it is good to make sure none of the neighborhood kids slipped behind my truck without me noticing I guess. But I really just appreciate the camera for it's ability to let me back up really close to things without hitting them so I can get as far into a parking spot as possible, or closer to the wall in my garage to make more walking room.

What I DON'T like are fucking sonars. Car manufacturers can keep that shit. If I have a camera, I don't need sensors screaming at me when my tail end is going over a curb or is still 5 feet away from a wall.
I could certainly see having a backup camera on a big rig, or a travel trailer. I "might" even be willing to pay for one for those applications - I've gotten out of the truck and walked back enough times even when someone was back there watching for me. I know there are - or have been - some backup cameras that actually display on the rearview mirror, which negates the need for a stupid ginormous screen grafted into the dashboard.

Cruise control is the ONE "technology" I insist on having - I use it very heavily. I've never driven a vehicle with adaptive CC. It might be nice - OTOH, it seems to me that it would encourage the "pack driving" one sees all too often on the freeway. Either way, I wouldn't be willing to pay its substantial cost, I'll disengage or change lanes as needed.

Start/stop is something that has to be defeated by whatever means necessary. There is a plug-in "lump" that will do that for you on the new Jeeps, for instance. That bullshit is brought to us by our benevolent OverLords, along with backup cameras for that matter.

I still miss wing windows and footwell vents - especially the latter.
 
I could certainly see having a backup camera on a big rig, or a travel trailer. I "might" even be willing to pay for one for those applications - I've gotten out of the truck and walked back enough times even when someone was back there watching for me. I know there are - or have been - some backup cameras that actually display on the rearview mirror, which negates the need for a stupid ginormous screen grafted into the dashboard.

Cruise control is the ONE "technology" I insist on having - I use it very heavily. I've never driven a vehicle with adaptive CC. It might be nice - OTOH, it seems to me that it would encourage the "pack driving" one sees all too often on the freeway. Either way, I wouldn't be willing to pay its substantial cost, I'll disengage or change lanes as needed.

Start/stop is something that has to be defeated by whatever means necessary. There is a plug-in "lump" that will do that for you on the new Jeeps, for instance. That bullshit is brought to us by our benevolent OverLords, along with backup cameras for that matter.

I still miss wing windows and footwell vents - especially the latter.
I like cruise, I like the idea of adaptive cruise, I don't like the implementation of adaptive cruise. In my experience it lets you get lazy, it leaves the perfect amount of room for people to take advantage of your following gap and keep cutting you off, and if you don't pay attention, after a while you'll realize you've been behind a big rig cruising 15 mph below the speed limit because the adaptive cruise slowed down to follow whoever was in front. It sounds cool in reality because it's all automated and supposed to be convenient, but after a while I felt like I was having to babysit the adaptive cruise and my driving experience which felt like it defeated the purpose. Regular cruise I'm good with and use all the time.

Start stop I will avoid as much as I can by buying vehicles that don't come with it but if I do end up in one, I will buy one of the defeat modules or the programmers that can shut that shit off. I hate it and no amount of people telling me "just let it do its job" will ever change that. There is no way in hell it saves you enough gas to make up for the batteries it eats. Not only that but it's just dumb. Losing AC at every stoplight or every time you stop in traffic is stupid. There is no benefit to it in my eyes.
 
Yes!

Auto industry has a way of removing useful features.
One of the biggest mistakes they made was removing the nut sack cooler. That thing was great for keeping your nuts cool in hot weather.
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Realistically, how many times in the lifespan of the vehicle would the passenger door lock ever have a key used in it? Even without electric door locks, driver unlocks that door, hops in, leans across, pops the lock on the passenger door, lets them in and then they unlock any others if needed.

I've never stuck the key in my tow rig passenger door, I don't even know if it works.
It's almost always the reverse for my when the wife is with me. Unlock her door. Let her in. She reaches across and unlocks mine. I can see why the 55 and up may complain if that's a habit of theirs
 
I like cruise, I like the idea of adaptive cruise, I don't like the implementation of adaptive cruise. In my experience it lets you get lazy, it leaves the perfect amount of room for people to take advantage of your following gap and keep cutting you off, and if you don't pay attention, after a while you'll realize you've been behind a big rig cruising 15 mph below the speed limit because the adaptive cruise slowed down to follow whoever was in front. It sounds cool in reality because it's all automated and supposed to be convenient, but after a while I felt like I was having to babysit the adaptive cruise and my driving experience which felt like it defeated the purpose. Regular cruise I'm good with and use all the time.

Start stop I will avoid as much as I can by buying vehicles that don't come with it but if I do end up in one, I will buy one of the defeat modules or the programmers that can shut that shit off. I hate it and no amount of people telling me "just let it do its job" will ever change that. There is no way in hell it saves you enough gas to make up for the batteries it eats. Not only that but it's just dumb. Losing AC at every stoplight or every time you stop in traffic is stupid. There is no benefit to it in my eyes.
Eggactly! You still gotta pay attention to it to avoid the scenario you've illustrated. It certainly would encourage "pack driving" which I see all the time on the freeway - even before the advent of adaptive cruise. So yea, if you're gonna have to babysit the thing anyway, it might as well be the conventional style - save the money, avoid the pack, and get there sooner.

As for start/stop - stopping the A/C in the Florida summer is a non-starter (no pun).
 
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How did this thread go from bitching about a chinese copy of the anti-rock to complaining about technological advances (used lightly) in automobiles?
Not hard to see how folks wind up on ignore lists, eh? Geeeezus, give it a fucking rest already.
 
Not hard to see how folks wind up on ignore lists, eh? Geeeezus, give it a fucking rest already.
100%. the issue i have with the ignore list is that every once in a while, there might be an actual gem spoken, which i then would not get from having ignored the user. i need to figure out the right ratio of annoying diatribe to relevant shit parameters for my ignore list.
 
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Can you please post a link to the TJ D crossmember bushings for the front?
I'm interested myself. I've got a first Gen Antirock and have wanted to source the bushings as that's the part that has deteriorated the most. Might have to buy the knock-off just for the bushings. 😁

On a side note: To echo the derailing of this thread, they sure don't make things the way they used to.

Example: My 50s Westinghouse fridge purchased by my grandfather brand new. Kept outside in the covered parking space for 30 years in Chatsworth. Another 30 years in a garage. I've had in in my garage since then until recently wherein it's in my basement. Still fully functional. Unlike modern Westinghouse products...all built in China as it's a bought out brand.

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Interesting thread. I’ll add my 2¢ Almost everything bought and sold is *consumer* driven. And a high percentage of consumers base their purchase decisions on price. People shop price. The quality, well built products cost more to produce and the retail price reflects that. So these well made products are often passed over for low quality, inferior POG’s. The makers of the quality goods may react by cutting costs, lowering quality, etc. in order to be competetive. Sending their operations overseas is often their last resort decision. Consumers are to blame for the “throw away” mentality.
 
How come some companies still produce USA made bumpers at Chinese prices? Maybe some US companies need to lower the prices or hire Chinese kids to work for minimum wage rates. :unsure: My USA made LOD bumpers were under $200 each.
 
I'm interested myself. I've got a first Gen Antirock and have wanted to source the bushings as that's the part that has deteriorated the most. Might have to buy the knock-off just for the bushings. 😁

On a side note: To echo the derailing of this thread, they sure don't make things the way they used to.

Example: My 50s Westinghouse fridge purchased by my grandfather brand new. Kept outside in the covered parking space for 30 years in Chatsworth. Another 30 years in a garage. I've had in in my garage since then until recently wherein it's in my basement. Still fully functional. Unlike modern Westinghouse products...all built in China as it's a bought out brand.

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John should sell them and happily, they finally moved to the much higher UV resistance of the black version of the plastic.
 
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How come some companies still produce USA made bumpers at Chinese prices? Maybe some US companies need to lower the prices or hire Chinese kids to work for minimum wage rates. :unsure: My USA made LOD bumpers were under $200 each.
The current LOD cheapest bumper is 252.00
The material is listed as 10 gauge which is slightly thicker than 1/8" material and currently goes for about 11 bucks per foot in volume which puts the material at about 44 bucks for the narrow version. Add in two recovery tabs at 3 bucks, some bumper tabs at about the same and the winch plate at 6 -10 for material cost of around 60-70 bucks US prices for steel.

That puts them at roughly 180-190 bucks to weld, finish grind the end caps, and profit. Hardly Chinese prices.

EDIT- I estimated the cost of 10 gauge by using the difference between 11gauge and .188 wall. I have since gone looking for actual 10 gauge to refine the price. It doesn't seem to be that readily available nor do any of my normal sources have even a listing for 10 gauge 2" x 4" rectangular tube. If so, that means they are using 1/8" wall at cheaper than above or 3/16" wall which I doubt. What am I missing?
 
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Example: My 50s Westinghouse fridge purchased by my grandfather brand new. Kept outside in the covered parking space for 30 years in Chatsworth. Another 30 years in a garage. I've had in in my garage since then until recently wherein it's in my basement. Still fully functional. Unlike modern Westinghouse products...all built in China as it's a bought out brand.
The fridge may be functional but the compressor in that thing is very inefficient by modern standards. Nothing wrong whatsoever running an old fridge that your family has had for very many years for sentimental reasons and it may last even longer, but just be aware of what the trade offs are.
 
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The fridge may be functional but the compressor in that thing is very inefficient by modern standards. Nothing wrong whatsoever running an old fridge that your family has had for very many years for sentimental reasons and it may last even longer, but just be aware of what the trade offs are.
Very true - but at the cost of a new one that won't last, you're probably money ahead by running the old one.