Daily Driver, Go Where I Want To Build

[jjvw]

Unlike the thicker versions, the 1" Titan wheel adapter is lug centric. This means I don't need to drill these out. All is not completely lost on the pair I drilled. I will need one for the spare tire carrier.

Here is the final stick out of the locking hub. About 7/8" from the wheel face.

 

[rasband]

All is not completely lost on the pair I drilled. I will need one for the spare tire carrier.

Time to delete?

 

[jjvw]

Time to delete?

Unlikely. Eventually the spare will end up in the bed. The shocks benefit from some weight to react against. And moving that weight forward between the axles makes it more useful than where that 120lbs is now.

It's similar to one of the benefits of the fuel cell going behind the seats.

 

[starkey480]

I used those 1” titans as well but in the rear. Glad you got it figured out.

What’s the update on the gas tank?

 

[jjvw]

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What’s the update on the gas tank?

Nothing to report. And I'm not in a great hurry. Once tires and the hubs are out of the way, I'll start focusing harder on the fuel cell. For now, all I will be doing is collecting parts for a while.

 

[rasband]

Unlikely. Eventually the spare will end up in the bed. The shocks benefit from some weight to react against. And moving that weight forward between the axles makes it more useful than where that 120lbs is now.

It's similar to one of the benefits of the fuel cell going behind the seats.

I do notice mine drives nicer with the tire in the bed. It's typically there on any trips.

 

[starkey480]

Nothing to report. And I'm not in a great hurry. Once tires and the hubs are out of the way, I'll start focusing harder on the fuel cell. For now, all I will be doing is collecting parts for a while.

I’m thinking about doing a traditional fuel cell when I stretch. I’m just trying to think through in my head how to fit a fuel cell, spare tire, and tools all in the bed. I’d like the under the seats tank that blaine made, but I’m not sure I can pull that off.

 

[jjvw]

I’m thinking about doing a traditional fuel cell when I stretch. I’m just trying to think through in my head how to fit a fuel cell, spare tire, and tools all in the bed. I’d like the under the seats tank that blaine made, but I’m not sure I can pull that off.

My Blaine-style cell will be about 8" tall and should extend into the bed about 4-5". There will be a cargo rack right above it to protect the pump and stuff on top. I think the tire carrier will be incorporated into that rack with space below it to secure and hide tools. And I would rebuild my current rack behind the head rests for light soft things.

 

[starkey480]

My Blaine-style cell will be about 8" tall and should extend into the bed about 4-5". There will be a cargo rack right above it to protect the pump and stuff on top. I think the tire carrier will be incorporated into that rack with space below it to secure and hide tools. And I would rebuild my current rack behind the head rests for light soft things.

I’ve thought about doing something like this for the spare tire and have the fuel cell and tools inside. Another forum member posted this storage in a build thread at one point.

 

[jjvw]

I’ve thought about doing something like this for the spare tire and have the fuel cell and tools inside. Another forum member posted this storage in a build thread at one point.
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My thinking would be to keep the bed open for accessibility. Plus, if you do a traditional fuel cell, your filler will be above the tub so that much needs to be open anyway.

 

[starkey480]

My thinking would be to keep the bed open for accessibility. Plus, if you do a traditional fuel cell, your filler will be above the tub so that much needs to be open anyway.

Right, I’d have to cut a notch for the filler to pop through. Idk it’s a long ways away but I like to dream! I’ll just let you be the Guinea pig for the blaine style gas tank and see how that unfolds

 

[psrivats]

The shocks benefit from some weight to react against. And moving that weight forward between the axles makes it more useful than where that 120lbs is now.

Having some weight in the rear for the shocks is really important. I've seen this first hand recently and it was eye opening.

 

[someguysjeep]

i think this tank is gonna be 1 of your toughest challenges yet.
if i do it ever again, i kinda like the idea of flat on the rear deck 2.5-3" tall with vertical supports so it'd have baffles and support weight then hang a sump (that holds a 1/2gl) with the pump into the passenger foot well. i think something similar has been mentioned b4.

 

[Brianj5600]

Having some weight in the rear for the shocks is really important. I've seen this first hand recently and it was eye opening.

Wouldn't that just mean the shocks have too much compression damping with less weight?

 

[jjvw]

Wouldn't that just mean the shocks have too much compression damping with less weight?

Not necessarily

 

[mrblaine]

I’m thinking about doing a traditional fuel cell when I stretch. I’m just trying to think through in my head how to fit a fuel cell, spare tire, and tools all in the bed. I’d like the under the seats tank that blaine made, but I’m not sure I can pull that off.

There is very little about a fuel cell that has a filler neck above the top of the tub that does not suck.

 

[mrblaine]

I’ve thought about doing something like this for the spare tire and have the fuel cell and tools inside. Another forum member posted this storage in a build thread at one point.
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You've already spent enough time off camber that you know you don't want a higher center of gravity. That and those channels will fill up with dirt, dust, sand and be miserable to clean out. The sand bits land, the aluminum flexes, and then the sand works down in and gets wedged so you have to chisel it out. That is a 100% street driven storage that will never work well where it gets dirty.

That and the second time you need to dig something out of the front you will absolutely despise that it doesn't lift up.

 

[mrblaine]

Wouldn't that just mean the shocks have too much compression damping with less weight?

Yes, no, maybe, depends. The issue is the surface area of the piston moving though the oil with even full bleed has a decent amount of resistance. For a very light rear weight, that can be problematic to valve a shock to respond with low levels of harshness. Giving the shock a moderate amount of weight to react against makes things a lot easier to work with.

If you look at all the KOH buggies, that tire isn't hanging out over the rear because they can't put it anywhere else. While not exactly an apples to apples comparison it does give an idea of why is not always bad, some weight that is.

Another way to view it is to try and tune a 2.5" shock for the rear of a TJ or Unlimited. Very difficult to do without some good pistons with a high bleed to help with just the base resistance of the piston moving through the oil.

 

[starkey480]

There is very little about a fuel cell that has a filler neck above the top of the tub that does not suck.

You've already spent enough time off camber that you know you don't want a higher center of gravity. That and those channels will fill up with dirt, dust, sand and be miserable to clean out. The sand bits land, the aluminum flexes, and then the sand works down in and gets wedged so you have to chisel it out. That is a 100% street driven storage that will never work well where it gets dirty.

That and the second time you need to dig something out of the front you will absolutely despise that it doesn't lift up.

Very true. I guess I will pay attention to the under seat gas tank because that seems to be the least compromise. I don’t like losing space and having filler above the tub, and I don’t like going to a 15 gallon under the tub…

 

[mrblaine]

and I don’t like going to a 15 gallon under the tub…

Do we know how that works with all the TJ bits under there? I have a friend trying to do that now to get out to 100ish in a TJ and I'm not confident it can be done.