Difficulty getting oil filter off on new engine

[mgroeger]

Replaced my engine with a re-manned ATK. Previously I could remove my oil filter with a little tweak from an oil filter wrench and it came right off.
I replaced the filter at 250 and also 500 miles and each time a Mopar filter was used and each time it was just snugged down by hand. When it came time to remove it was as if it was welded on. The filter was destroyed by the filter wrench in the process. You could see the filter move with enough pressure applied but that O ring took an amazing amount of torque to break free.
I made sure the mating surface was clean and smooth and that the gasket was coated in oil.
Any ideas on why this thing is binding so bad?

 

[Flivver250]

I always wet the rubber gasket with oil and snug hand tight. Sometimes those suckers can be stubborn, usually not.

 

[dbbd1]

Just confirming-

An oring/mating surface issue not a thread issue, correct?

 

[mgroeger]

Just confirming-

An oring/mating surface issue not a thread issue, correct?

Yep, threads on and off smoothly but once that gasket sets, look out. It is what it is, just have never experienced this on my old engine or any other vehicle for that matter. Wondered if there was a trick to putting something else on the gasket like Syla-Glyde.

 

[tworley]

I always wet the rubber gasket with oil and snug hand tight. Sometimes those suckers can be stubborn, usually not.

X2. I've always lubed the gasket with the oil and my finger before putting it on. On the TJ its always been put on hand-snug and it comes off just as easily.

On my wifes KL I do the same, but that one is always a bear to remove for some reason, even after installing it only hand-snug

 

[TJ4Jim]

There may have been some fresh paint that cooked itself to the gasket and created a bond, just thinking out loud.

 

[mgroeger]

There may have been some fresh paint that cooked itself to the gasket and created a bond, just thinking out loud.

The block was sanded for the contact point so it's bare metal :/

 

[dbbd1]

I'd stick with an oil coating, I'm not sure how the sil-glyde and motor would mix (prob okay but you never know).

 

[Flivver250]

This wrench has welded rough spots for traction and works extremely well.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00396DMZ2/?tag=wranglerorg-20

 

[Goatman]

I got a filter wrench made like a slip joint pliers that works extremely well. Never likes those strap wrenches. No grip. A cup wrench works well too. As for why? Decades ago Jiffy Lube filters were wanting to damn near weld themselves to the block. Turns out the spec'ed a cheaper filter from Puralator. Thinner tin, cheaper gasket. The engine heat would start to melt the gasket and cook it onto the block, and the thinner filter metal would just deform or tear under pressure. Was ok on most engines, but some, like a Ford Escort that ran hotter it would set up. Plus those Escorts had no room to manuver. Could be similar?

 

[mgroeger]

I got a filter wrench made like a slip joint pliers that works extremely well. Never likes those strap wrenches. No grip. A cup wrench works well too. As for why? Decades ago Jiffy Lube filters were wanting to damn near weld themselves to the block. Turns out the spec'ed a cheaper filter from Puralator. Thinner tin, cheaper gasket. The engine heat would start to melt the gasket and cook it onto the block, and the thinner filter metal would just deform or tear under pressure. Was ok on most engines, but some, like a Ford Escort that ran hotter it would set up. Plus those Escorts had no room to manuver. Could be similar?

Who knows at this point. Just found it rather odd that on my old engine the sucker spun right off. On this one it's a herculean effort.
Please tell me you don't use Jiffy Lube to do your oil changes, you couldn't pay me to go to a place like that.

 

[Goatman]

I ran one 40 years ago for a while. Could not take the level of dishonesty and outright lies we were supposed to push on the customers. The quality of people and parts were low. The owners of the franchise were borderline criminal.

 

[01TJ-Blues]

I would suggest taking your old destroyed filter and cutting off the base where the threads are and spinning the “nut” down on the block. Then you will know if it’s the mating surface or the threads on the block.

 

[MutantNinjaTJ]

I was changing the oil on a new motorcycle and it was mounted horizontally on the side or the engine. It wouldn’t budge so I grabbed it with both hands and rotated my shoulders for leverage and...............I hear a rip, I feel the rush of blood, and had tore my subcapulis tendon. Dumb Ass! Fucking oil filter anyway!