The temperature he was driving in was not even winter weather. We're going into the time of year where 30-40 F is warm.
Next week the lows are single digits, highs upper 20s.
Next week the lows are single digits, highs upper 20s.
EV thread
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Biggest EV issues:
1. Range and charging time
2. The environmental damage of extracting these rare earth materials for components such as the batteries pretty much offsets whatever emissions are being prevented
3. What about places where they’re getting electricity from fossil fuels? Defeats the purpose.
4. Longevity. These batteries will be exposed to large temperature swings, moisture, weather, and other natural occurrences which will damage them. Look at your phones battery as an example - look how long those things last, and look what the cold does to them.
5. You have donkeys like Newsom that are literally imposing EV mandates even though the state’s power grid is already struggling (and is responsible for a lot of those forest fires) and simply cannot handle it.
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A couple of 9mm alterations to the dash, and it'd be GTG!
Maybe already addressed, but the point in the OP about wasted electricity during charging being like pouring 2 gallons of gas on the ground when you fill up.
Yeah, that's kind of how gas engines work too. You are effectively doing that since gas engines are nowhere near 100% efficient. In terms of taking the total amount of energy you put into the tank, or battery, and converting that into torque at the wheels the electric car is better at it.
Convenience (if you can charge exclusively at home) and energy cost is in the EV's favor. Depends on what you need from your car on a daily basis. Total cost of ownership is probably not good, and if you're concerned about pollution, yeah, that's not a solution.
I think they could be a good deal for some drivers if the cost could com down to basic econobox standards. But in the big picture I think hybrids make more sense.
Yeah, that's kind of how gas engines work too. You are effectively doing that since gas engines are nowhere near 100% efficient. In terms of taking the total amount of energy you put into the tank, or battery, and converting that into torque at the wheels the electric car is better at it.
Convenience (if you can charge exclusively at home) and energy cost is in the EV's favor. Depends on what you need from your car on a daily basis. Total cost of ownership is probably not good, and if you're concerned about pollution, yeah, that's not a solution.
I think they could be a good deal for some drivers if the cost could com down to basic econobox standards. But in the big picture I think hybrids make more sense.
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You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars
Science has repeatedly shown EVs are better for humans, despite the meme you just retweeted.
I've heard all the supposed arguments. It seems every time anything even tangentially related to electric cars is published, certain people feel compelled to share their own research. You've probably heard it all, too: A Prius is worse for the planet than a Hummer. EVs are coal-powered cars. Electric cars produce more CO2 than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Lithium mining is uniquely bad for the environment. Cobalt mining relies largely on slave labor, if not child slave labor. Actually, that last part is sadly true. But the rest? Lies. And I'm not even going to get into the hypocrisy of posting anti-EV rhetoric from a lithium-ion-battery-powered phone or laptop.TLDR cut to the chase...
But That's Just, Like, Your Opinion, Man
No, it's not. The Yale School of the Environment conducted a study published by Nature Communications that explains how even with indirect emissions due to battery production, EVs release fewer greenhouse gases over the course of their service lives than ICE vehicles.https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/
As stated before, if they put them on the market and let people buy them, there would be few against them. But when they ban alternatives to "make them work", that's when they create enemies. EV pushers are way to much like vegans.
Nobody is against it if you just buy and drive them. But EV owners would be pissed if some politician came into power and banned their sale.
That is coming down the road when they push cars off the road in favor of mass transit.
None of that bothers me one bit. With current battery technology they just can't get the energy density to make the politicians grand plans work. And science isn't even close to making it happen in the short term. It may be decades before there is a breakthrough. Plus the electrical infrastructure isn't anywhere close to being ready and it won't be for a long time. So the scary boogeyman political mandates will be pushed out, and pushed out, and then be pushed out some more. And if some paradise like Marina Del Yuk unwisely pushes a mandate too soon there is always the option to just move. Gas will be available for many decades and a single tank will get you around 300 miles away from there.
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Seems this fits EV and it’s Jeep too
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sts-electric-vehicle-production.html#comments
Hundreds of workers are expected to be laid off when automaker Stellantis closes an assembly plant in northern Illinois early next year, citing the challenge of rising costs of electric vehicle production.
The company, which employs about 1,350 workers at the plant in Belvidere, Illinois, said the action will result in indefinite layoffs and it may not resume operations as it considers other options.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sts-electric-vehicle-production.html#comments
The nightmare before Christmas: Jeep lays off 1,350 workers at Illinois Cherokee SUV plant - blames high cost of switching to electric car production and moves factory to MEXICO
Hundreds of workers are expected to be laid off when automaker Stellantis closes an assembly plant in northern Illinois early next year, citing the challenge of rising costs of electric vehicle production.
The company, which employs about 1,350 workers at the plant in Belvidere, Illinois, said the action will result in indefinite layoffs and it may not resume operations as it considers other options.
Sad to see but maybe not surprising. Jeep’s current owner, Stellantis isn’t an American company so I expect that decision was strictly based on economics. Re-tooling for a new model is costly (which is not EV specific) so this was probably a good opportunity for getting out of the expensive US labor market while still keeping transportation costs down by staying in North America. I think blaming it on EVs is cheap political stunt (but not a dumb one. Many will take that bait, hook, line and sinker).
As an aside, I grew up in Detroit in the 70s and 80s where the local economy very directly reflected whether or not American cars were selling. It was considered unpatriotic to drive a non-American car. Although I believe the old big 3’s failure to innovate and maintain quality is to blame for their loss of US market share, it still bugs me when I see American flags and other patriotic expressions on foreign cars (including post 1997 Jeeps). Remember, no Jeep since 1998 has been a wholly US vehicle.
63K Hybrid Jeeps Face Recall and Stop-Sale Due to Major Failure Problem
https://www.westernjournal.com/63k-...breaking&utm_campaign=can&utm_content=firefly
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https://www.newsinenglish.no/2022/12/13/electric-car-owners-costs-jump/
Norwegian politicians have offered lots of electric car incentives over the years but they’re quickly disappearing, even as Norway urgently needs to cut carbon emissions. The latest electric car shock came just last week, when the City of Oslo nearly tripled the cost of recharging at city-owned charging posts, before being forced to shift into reverse.
A sharp rise in the cost of charging electric cars at city-operated posts in Oslo has sparked protests from Norway’s national electric car organization.
So dramatic was the rate hike, from NOK 28 to NOK 49 (USD 2.80-4.90) an hour for “normal” recharging during the day and NOK 13 to NOK 39 at night, that the national el-car association Norsk elbilforening claimed it could no longer recommend that Oslo residents buy an electric car.
“In some cases, it can be twice as expensive to charge an electric car as to fill up with polluting (fossil) fuel,” Christina Bu, secretary general of the el-car organization, told newspaper Finansavisen. She went on to call the rate hike that was imposed literally overnight by the Oslo city government (ironically led by the Greens and Labour parties) as “idiotic.”
Norwegian politicians have offered lots of electric car incentives over the years but they’re quickly disappearing, even as Norway urgently needs to cut carbon emissions. The latest electric car shock came just last week, when the City of Oslo nearly tripled the cost of recharging at city-owned charging posts, before being forced to shift into reverse.
A sharp rise in the cost of charging electric cars at city-operated posts in Oslo has sparked protests from Norway’s national electric car organization.
So dramatic was the rate hike, from NOK 28 to NOK 49 (USD 2.80-4.90) an hour for “normal” recharging during the day and NOK 13 to NOK 39 at night, that the national el-car association Norsk elbilforening claimed it could no longer recommend that Oslo residents buy an electric car.
“In some cases, it can be twice as expensive to charge an electric car as to fill up with polluting (fossil) fuel,” Christina Bu, secretary general of the el-car organization, told newspaper Finansavisen. She went on to call the rate hike that was imposed literally overnight by the Oslo city government (ironically led by the Greens and Labour parties) as “idiotic.”
I have always considered myself an environmentalist. However, the Greens would have us all living in caves. Where the fuck is the balance in the world anymore?
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I think the true irony of Norway
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway
The Government Pension Fund Global, also known as the Oil Fund, was established in 1990 to invest the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector. It has over US$1.19 trillion in assets,[1] and holds 1.4% of all of the world’s listed companies, making it among the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds.[2][3] In December 2021, it was worth about $250,000 per Norwegian citizen.