I have the same tank under my 04 TJ. When your low fuel dash light turns on, how much fuel do you have remaining? My guess is I have 5 gallons left. Thanks
On average I have 5 when the light goes on, it’s great !
I have the same tank under my 04 TJ. When your low fuel dash light turns on, how much fuel do you have remaining? My guess is I have 5 gallons left. Thanks
yikes.. 1500 bucks...
I vote for design flaw - not the fault of enthanol.It is my understanding that initially it wasn't really a design flaw.
The OEM float functioned properly until exposed to higher concentrations of ethenol which caused the tabs on the float to swell.
Nonetheless....the majority quit working.
I don't believe it is the ethanol that does it. Something is changing though and it changes the dimension of the valve or the cage it rides in. If you examine them, they are very well made close tolerance high quality moldings. Maybe too close tolerances?I vote for design flaw - not the fault of enthanol.
If you had about 4 hours to dig into this I could take you thru all the material compatibility charts and testing on my own stuff I did over a 7 year period. Much of the issues believed by mechanics are wife's tales fed by internet, not quashed by oil companies who would rather have back 10% more oil volume, and in particular - additive companies who have the "fix in a bottle"
Truth is that issues with ethanol are primarily around open vented fuel systems such as boating and small engines yet there are a precious few issues in automotive and those were completely avoidable had the automotive industry been head out of sand in material selection and not avoiding proper design.
To much to cover in this post but for example in elastomers (seal materials) there a 4 of about 20 that are poor for ethanol and ONLY 4 that are acceptable for gasoline!
I was in the oil distribution business for 26 years and ethanol for 6. I can tell you the oil boys have enjoyed the benefits of misconceptions.
I'm not in either industry today- I've no skin in either game today but just wanted to say it is very very unlikely that ethanol softened or caused swelling of any of the plastics typically used in a gasoline tank-- but if somehow Jeep managed to find one that would do this - it would be Jeeps faux pas because it would be difficult to find one that would swell.
Thanks for more info. As you can guess, stuff like this fascinates me because I want to know how it works. When you know how something works, you can use that knowledge to understand other things. I wish I understood more about why some stuff shrinks when exposed to fuels, brake fluids and similar incompatible situations and other stuff swells. I suspect there is a leaching effect somehow but I don't know the fundamentals. Fortunately, the most common error, introducing petroleum based liquids into the brake fluid system is easy to spot because the brake fluid compatible compounds swell a bunch in the presence of petroleum based liquids.True mrblaine- swelling is often greatest in the presence of the aromatics found in gasoline- the compounds ending with "ene"- benzene, toluene, etc.
They were really bad in the 70' and 80's until the EPA forced oil companies to sharply reduce the levels. At one time they were so high that automakers had to be careful with even metal selection due to their agressive behavior. This was about the time gasohol first showed up at a few stations in the Midwest and ethanol took all the blame for what aromatics was greatly contributing to.
Enough on that- thanks for pointing out the sticking overturn valve problem.
Yes Bird- problem with open vented fuel tanks is introduction of air and moisture. While 10% ethanol will help absorb up to 4 tsp water per gallon of gasoline that is laying in the tank and clear it thru without issue or separation - too many people do not properly store gasoline in sealed containers nor do they turn over inventory fast enough- especially in the equipment tank ( nor either have the tank completely full or completely emptied when not in use)I've probably overstated the Ethanol issue regarding the automotive industry.
But having a small engine repair shop i can say with confidence that Ethenol degraded plastic and rubber components, made the engines run hotter and shortened the lifespan of the engine.
My guess would be that most of the damage occurs while the engine sits for long periods as they tend to do.
Now about running lean- yes- the air/fuel ratio for ethanol is certainly different than gasoline and while any modern auto automatically adjusts this - a carb requires tuning for it. I have 3 chainsaws running both e10 and straight Dino and they frankly run better on e10 because these 3 were always tuned rich. It is my understanding that new saws suck in that the adjustment screw is meant to not be moved (is this the case?)- my saws are 20-35 years old.
Alright, then I will ask you. Do you fix DW with a steering stabilizer?
That is an actual fix for a faulty spoon. The GM thing is more like going out and putting air in a tire every day that has a slow leak from nail. Yes, it can be driven on, yes the air makes it functional again, but pulling the nail and plugging the hole is the actual fix.
Lastly, if you don't like a specific user they can be blocked and it will be like they don't exist.
That and a lot of folks who think I'm a dick still won't put me on ignore because they know at some point there just might be something I know that they need to know that they don't.
Couldn't have said it better myself. You know a lot, I also really can't stand you. But you know way more that I do on a lot of subjects so it would be the height of foolishness to put you on ignore. When you are wrong (and it admittedly isn't often) I just don't engage as you are incapable of admitting fault. That's fine, I know people like that in person, I just smile and nod.
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There must have been a time
when we could have said no.
I'm very capable of admitting fault and the words "I'm sorry" are part of my daily vocabulary. I have no problem with being wrong, the only folks in this world who don't make mistakes are those who do nothing.Couldn't have said it better myself. You know a lot, I also really can't stand you. But you know way more that I do on a lot of subjects so it would be the height of foolishness to put you on ignore. When you are wrong (and it admittedly isn't often) I just don't engage as you are incapable of admitting fault. That's fine, I know people like that in person, I just smile and nod.
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There must have been a time
when we could have said no.
That's because you're one of those who wish to remain willfully ignorant. Not much I can do about that.He is truly a self loving dick. There is nothing he thinks he knows that is of interest to me. There are a lot of other people here who have helped me a lot! He has never.
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Larry, not really trying to get in the middle of this, but the ignore button is exactly for the statement you made above. If you believe he has no value to you why do you keep responding?He is truly a self loving dick. There is nothing he thinks he knows that is of interest to me. There are a lot of other people here who have helped me a lot! He has never.
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