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Progressive Insurance wants to total my highly modified 97 Jeep Wrangler Sport

A friend has Progressive and they got a crack in the windshield. Progressive asked where the car was and the said the grocery store car park. Progressive then wanted the grocery store receipt before they would process the claim! Bizarre. Andy

PROGRESSIVE is a shit company to deal with.

This is why I always just used my own insurance company to pay out the claim, and pay my deductible.
Then their Court Attorneys on retainer can go after the "At fault" persons insurance policy.

This is really what you're paying for with FULL Coverage, is attorneys on retainer (Besides the obvious coverages)
You get the deductible back later after their court bulldogs secure the win.......but I realize not everyone wants to float $500-$1000

At any rate, good luck OP
Truck is very good looking too.
 
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I just went through this with my daughter's 2007 Santa Fe that was totaled when she was rear ended on the freeway last month. The other driver's insurance never balked at accepting full responsibility, but came back with a value that didn't reflect the current market.

Luckily I had done some searching on-line and saved a number of listings for the same vehicle and had a simple spreadsheet that compared 4 cylinders vs. 6, manual vs. auto and miles driven per year (hers had literally half the miles you'd expect for a car it's age and it was immaculate, no accidents, etc.). Took a couple of rounds back and forth, but we were able to get what the vehicle was worth based on those factors. I'd suggest doing the same, pulling ads from all the different sites - especially some listed here that will more likely reflect the mods/upgrades you've got.

Didn't catch whether you've got full coverage or just liability on yours, but if full coverage and the other insurance company won't work with you pretty quickly based on this approach, I'd file with your insurance and let them fight it out. We only had liability on the Santa Fe, so it was all in our hands, but went fairly smoothly once I produced all the backup to justify what I said the car was worth.
 
Good luck.
I almost had to play this game with my Harley.
It worked out after a single phone call.

I hope it plays out well for you.
 
That's what InsCos do, "total" vehicles. I even know of a Volvo that was "totaled" for $3,500 when the repair bill was $1,800! I've fought this battle twice, won both times. It wasn't easy, and I had to be an asshole which I really don't like doing. I just kept repeating "I don't give a shit, FIX MY CAR!".
 
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Is Hagerty limiting your mileage and limiting your Jeep to pleasure/shows/rallies use only?

Andy
 
So we have Liberty Mutual...they suck...we put minimum insurance on my TJ because we know we'd get screwed if anything happened.

And it did...wife ran into me on the freeway. We're fighting with the insurance company now.

What I saved in dirt cheap insurance was MORE in just a year...about $1600 additional for full coverage (and then the insurance company would total it etc etc)...than the $1300 it cost me to buy a frame and tub from the junkyard.

But I got lucky. Finding a pristine tub and frame is getting harder and harder.

I did rebuild my Jeep in 8 days.

Send us pictures, tell us the story and better yet make YouTube videos.


-Mac
 
I was involved in an accident and the other driver was completely at fault. My Jeep is at the shop now and a Progressive Adjuster called me and told me it was going to be a total loss. I told him I sent in documentation to Progressive of all the mods that were installed by a reputable shop totaling $17,000. The adjuster said, "Oh, I wasn't aware of that". So, I am beyond ticked off at the moment. So, I started researching how to combat a total loss. Here's what I found.

How to Fight an Insurance Company Over a Totaled Car’s Value

Receive a settlement offer from the insurance company.

Gather evidence, including an independent appraisal, the car’s sticker details, prices for comparable vehicles, photos of the car before the accident, and receipts for any features you added.

Send this evidence and a counteroffer to the insurance company.

If the insurance company does not agree to your counteroffer, contact your state’s insurance regulator to request help.

Ask your insurance company for third-party arbitration if necessary.

File a lawsuit as a last resort.

Does anyone know an appraiser near Atlanta, GA or north of Atlanta that knows how to value these vehicles?

Any advice on this would be very helpful. Thanks, I love my Jeep.


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I had Progressive last year or so when I hit black ice in Wyoming, and took out a large road sign. (I thought I did a post on it, but can't find it). Crushed the front driver side fender and hood, as well as the top of the passenger door, when the two 8x8 posts flew in the air and came down on the top.

So fortunate though, the sign post went between the front of the tire and the front bumper, and the wheel and steering were spared. The overflow tank went into the fan, and of course leaked along with the radiator.

Pictures were sent, and Progressive said they had to total the jeep because fluid was leaking :eek:..... And, they had to come to my house, tow away my jeep to an "Estimate Facility"....basically an exposed to the weather and criminals tow yard. Because of Covid, they refused to send an estimator to my house . I refused the tow and the jeep sat in my garage.

Around and around we went. I had to get multiple comps of similar TJ's in the Denver area. After months they agreed to fix it. Once fixed, it looked good......except for the obvious broken windshield......another round and around with progressive and finally got it fixed.

As soon as everything was finalized, and jeep in hand, I dumped those A-holes.

Lessons: don't let them tow away your jeep to their Estimator Facility, Know what you have into your jeep and save the work orders, look at the prices of TJ's in your area, Pictures, pictures, pictures of your jeep before and after.

If you can get the crash jeep to drive, Flex-Tape (the guy in the boat) was a life saver for me. Sealed the top, the top-header to windshield, the crack in the radiator, and the passenger door. A roll is now part of my tool kit.

Visit your jeep multiple times while it's being repaired, to avoid short cuts, inferior parts, and poor craftsmanship, all of which I experienced. And I'm still finding little things like wires not being secured, and lock washers stacked and used as spacers... Oh yeah, don't hit black ice in Wyoming. The road sign was about 8 feet from the edge of the pavement. The next time I drove by, it was well over a hundred feet and at the base of a hill . Guess they knew I was coming back😂

Good luck with your fight, and pay attention to some of the good advice in these posts.

Ray
 
^ Good expereince to learn from, and advice

Repair shops almost ALWAYS opt for the cheapest OER grade utter garbage replacement parts. I could show you a Ford OER vs OEM video to illustrate the point. Learn from this

Body shops are carnage profit centers
Maximize their profit while delivering painted junk
Same can be said for damage restorations companies

 
Ive never heard anything good about progressive other than the cheap rates. I have statefarm and the few times I have used them, it was always "find your contractor (or body shop) for some quotes and let us know". I might pay more with them than another insurance company but it has always been a painless process. It was maybe 7 years ago now but my jeep got hit HARD in a hail storm. They let me come to a city wide tent (the storm caused a ton of damage all over) to have an adjuster look at it. He did his thing, wrote a # down, and I said "well my soft top is also tore", and he said he didnt catch that (my top was down), showed him the tear and he tacked on another $800 to the # and sent me on my way. Very easy and painless. They said if the body shop ends up costing more, let them know and they can adjust the amount to cover. Very similar process when I slid into a parked car years ago with my pickup in college. "find your body shop(s), get a quote and let us know, if the cost is higher than anticipated let us know and we'll adjust".

That said--my jeep now is liability only since its garaged mostly and beat on. If it gets wrecked or stolen, then I might be SOL but I do think it would be fun to start over with a different jeep knowing what I know now.
 
^ Good expereince to learn from, and advice

Repair shops almost ALWAYS opt for the cheapest OER grade utter garbage replacement parts. I could show you a Ford OER vs OEM video to illustrate the point. Learn from this

Body shops are carnage profit centers
Maximize their profit while delivering painted junk
Same can be said for damage restorations companies


Very true statement. The body shop said they were forced into an after-market hood (Chinese crap) because originals were not available. Told them I found multiple good original hoods in Grand Junction, and they said Progressive would not approve it...... Even offered to go pick it up.......nope, no go
 
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A friend has Progressive and they got a crack in the windshield. Progressive asked where the car was and the said the grocery store car park. Progressive then wanted the grocery store receipt before they would process the claim! Bizarre. Andy
Anything or any company with progressive in its name isn't getting my business.
 
Very true statement. The body shop said they were forced into an after-market hood (Chinese crap) because originals were not available. Told them I found multiple good original hoods in Grand Junction, and they said Progressive would not approve it...... Even offered to go pick it up.......nope, no go

I bet theyre full of sheisse
Theres a very large profit margin on Chinese OER crap, meanwhile the adjusters often rate for near OER cost from the State Farm database they all share. They didmt want anyone chippin into their profit margin

My motorcycle carrier is Dairyland and they offered me (an extra cost) to be sure to get Harley parts for any damages. I dont own a Harley anymore (2 choppers and a Victory) but the point is ask your carriers about OEM parts coverage
 
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Is Hagerty limiting your mileage and limiting your Jeep to pleasure/shows/rallies use only?

Andy

I insure my 67 Firebird with Hagerty. There are restrictions on mileage but they never actually verify. Not sure about limitations on actual use since my Firebird doesn’t go over 60 MPH and is not suitable for freeway driving.
 
Hagerty requires a locked garage kept asset
For those of you thinkin about it

If an incident occurs they will just look at the odometer and estimate mileage per year from Day1 of the policy to see if its within expectations.
 
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Andy

My mileage is limited to 6,000 a year, but that is more than enough for me, it's not my daily driver. I could sent the mileage to whatever I want as well, but less mileage reduces the cost. My use isn't limited either. I explained that my jeep is used on nice weather days and trips to the mountains for the most part. No issues with driving on logging roads etc. I also have a 71 chevelle so my jeep was just adding another vehicle to the policy, it may be different if you don't have an existing policy.
 
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Is Hagerty limiting your mileage and limiting your Jeep to pleasure/shows/rallies use only?

Andy

I checked w/ Hagerty re an agreed value policy for my TJ. I think they prefer vehicles with those policies not to be daily drivers. They asked if I had another vehicle for daily driving. I do, but was honest I said I drive the Jeep more often. The thing that killed though was off road use. They asked if I took it off road and if I had a winch (yes and yes even though it still spends the vast majority of its time on road). They were nice but said no, thank you.
 
I checked w/ Hagerty re an agreed value policy for my TJ. I think they prefer vehicles with those policies not to be daily drivers. They asked if I had another vehicle for daily driving. I do, but was honest I said I drive the Jeep more often. The thing that killed though was off road use. They asked if I took it off road and if I had a winch (yes and yes even though it still spends the vast majority of its time on road). They were nice but said no, thank you.

Yeah, it seems that if you have an existing policy with them for another vehicle, they have no problem adding it. But everyone I've seen who tries to get a new policy for just their jeep isn't having luck. When I added mine, I had an entire sheet I had to fill out that explained all the aftermarket parts and what brands they were.
 
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I insure my 67 Firebird with Hagerty. There are restrictions on mileage but they never actually verify. Not sure about limitations on actual use since my Firebird doesn’t go over 60 MPH and is not suitable for freeway driving.

Not to derail the thread but photos of said Firebird?
 
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