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Give me a street-legal Mahindra Roxor!
They should have made TJs until 2010!
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Give me a street-legal Mahindra Roxor!
I think the feds require collision avoidance/blind spot monitoring now too. The back up camera requirement is why you see screens on all new vehicles now. People complain about not having knobs for the HVAC, radio, etc, but you just can't effectively fit everything in. Plus manufactures refuse to go back to column shifters, so now you have to fit a shift knob or lever into the dash/center console too.I was joking, the emissions topic was already covered in the first page. I didn't know about the back up camera being required though. Wow federal requirements are so lame
I think the best we can hope for is some sort of solid axle Renegade or Bronco Sport type thing, but I'm not holding my breath. Mileage requirements also really hamper building something with any sort of approach/departure angle or ground clearance.
Let's say Jeep somehow did cut through all of the red tape (impossible. hypothetical), and built like 100k 2006 TJ Rubicons right now. What do you think they could sell them for in today's market? $30K? $40K? $50K?
A lot.
edit: this thread is making me never want to purchase a new vehicle ever again. TIL dumb fed vehicle requirements.
Interesting question. My 1st thought was a run of new 2006 TJ Rubicons would easily sell out for $50K but, as pointed out above, what we enthusiasts say we want and actually do are not necessarily the same.
I agree with others in this thread our best bet is a UTV or ATV like the Roxor, but made by jeep that is closer in size to the CJ. Maybe just possibly in a dream world that UTV can slip past the regulations and be "street legal" in certain jurisdictions.
Federal regulations are stupid beyond belief, just a bunch of suit and ties sipping coffee and making shit up. At a time when there's shortage of CDL drivers they come out with this ELDT bullshit. Yeah let me take a 90 hour course for 4000 dollars, 45 hours in a classroom, and 39 hours in a parking lot, with only 6 hours of on road driving that's totally what I need to be competent CDL driver. That makes total sense, that will definitely bring in a new generation of young drivers to be encouraged to get a CDL.
Someone bid $35,000 on this and didn't meet the reserve. It's been relisted.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2345052028...d=link&campid=5337789113&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2345052028...d=link&campid=5337789113&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
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If you pay attention to Bring a trailer listings, you'll see that's somewhat normal. TJRs go for like 22-30k depending on mileage, LJ Rubis maybe 30-35k.Someone bid $35,000 on this and didn't get it. It's been relisted.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2345052028...d=link&campid=5337789113&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
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That's corporate average fuel economy. Electric vehicles in a manufacturers line will make up for big gas guzzling SUVs.
I think they only command the prices they do because of the scarcity of clean Rubicons. If they pumped out 100k of them this year I doubt they could sell them for more than 25K, and used Rubicons would be 15k.
Enthusiasts just don't buy new.
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Carve
TJ Enthusiast
I mostly agree. I can think of a couple more things they could do, but I think EV's will improve quicker than this tech does. My ideas are....
1) Separate banks of cylinders for compression and expansion. The compression cylinders can be individually deactivated, so you could have one or two cylinders expanding into four when you don't need much power. This would reduce pumping losses and give an enormous expansion ratio, like an atkinson cycle engine, but much better. This also gives the option of running an "interheater" in your compressed air plenum to scavenge some exhaust energy, and then you'd add additional heat with your fuel. The expansion side would just take this hot, high pressure gas and work like an air motor. No combustion would occur in the cylinder, so it could run on pretty much any fuel. I suppose it'd be more like a Brayton cycle engine that way, but with variable compression
2) Steam scavenging. Under lower power settings, you could add an extra stroke between the exhaust and intake stroke. After the exhaust valve closes, inject water into the cylinder. It'll flash to steam, expand and drive the piston down again. This is free energy that would otherwise be lost to the cooling system. It'd be "total loss" though so you'd have to run some pretty pure water to avoid deposits.
3) Homogenous charge compression ignition engines. No throttle = no pumping losses. They're actually working on these.
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Carve
TJ Enthusiast
Yeah- I've been saying for years that the "spiritual successor" of the original WW2 Jeep is something like a UTV. I wonder what it would take to get a UTV with airbags, a heater, MAYBE optional AC, and the appropriate emissions and crash structure. Could even consider making it solid axle. I mean...my commute is only 7 miles and I typically do it on a motorcycle, so it'd be no problem to run one of those on days with bad weather. If they could price it kinda sorta close to existing UTVs (because they'd have greater economies of scale) and think they'd sell well.
Going the other high-tech direction, I think something like the 4xe, but with a tiny, lightweight motorcycle-style engine for range, and the electric drivetrain for acceleration and hill climbing, is the way to go. It could just power the front wheels with a CVT, or power some kind of generator for low-speed driving. You'd drive around town on electric only, but when you were going on a road trip you'd fire up the motor as soon as you start
My 1972 2CV got 65mpg.
Need 4 wheel drive no problem just add a second engine.
https://silodrome.com/citroen-2cv-4x4-sahara/
I would not take less that $35k for our TJ LJ Rubicon.
Need 4 wheel drive no problem just add a second engine.
https://silodrome.com/citroen-2cv-4x4-sahara/
I would not take less that $35k for our TJ LJ Rubicon.
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Not true. I know of two American manufactures out of Detroit who offer a car without all the bs, they build them without a screen, backup camera…all the required federally mandated requirements.
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Well what kind of technology sells these days? What’s innovative and leads to more consumers visiting dealers to check out the latest tech?
Manufactures are going to follow trends, right now the trend is smart technology, touchscreens, and other tech related, “features.” Consumers love that stuff and if it’s in their pockets, in their homes, then manufactures know if they put that stuff in their cars it will more likely end up in a consumers garages.
Yup, or the XJ, or the WJ. Too many safety requirements and systems needed. The bumpers and hood lines even have to be designed a certain way to protect pedestrians.
I have a friend who is an engineer for an automotive supplier, he says the fed requirements get crazier every year. Each vehicle has to be able to basically hit a pedestrian without killing them, survive a head-on off-set collision with a concrete barrier, have all sorts of safety cameras, lane keep assist, etc, oh and get 30mpg.
Paul Land
TJ Enthusiast
In 1972 there was the Opec gas crisis, an old mafiaso said to me. I don't care if gas is $10.00 a gallon as long as I can get it. In 1973 he and his Cadillac disappeared forever.
Go figure.
Go figure.
Seriously, lane keep assist and blind spot cameras, pathetic. Someone should teach these federal government employees the concept of Darwinism.
I can already see it now in the year 2050: Step right up to get your drivers license, if you are driving a fully automated self driving car here you go here's your license out of a cereal box. Oh want to drive an actual car that you actually drive that'll be 7000$ and a safety driving course that's 90 hours in a classroom.
I get it and agree. However car accidnets are the leading cause of death for folks under the age of 54 in America.
So maybe that’s where it stems from. Total guess, but Americans are probably the most distracted drivers.
And pedestrian/cyclist deaths from strikes are at an all time him these past few years.