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Congratulations to MagnumV8, the December 2021 Ride of the Month (ROTM)
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Not this month...but he has won (and used a filter)Hmmm? @Chris won?
Wouldn't it be fair to say that he was voted best picture by the forum members just as every other winner has before and after?
But with the right lighting it could look just like a heavily enhanced, multi layered, composite image. We learned that today.
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Ok new rules, every entry must be taken on @Zorba’s camera
You're about as funny as a swollen & bleeding hemorrhoid... Your winning pic was edited, so enough with the hypocrisy... Get the fuck over it!!!But with the right lighting it could look just like a heavily enchanced, multi layered, composite image. We learned that today.
And by the way it's enhanced not enCHanced... It must be your inner fairy dreaming of enchantments!!
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We all see what your doing.....lolBut with the right lighting it could look just like a heavily enhanced, multi layered, composite image. We learned that today.
The guys who said they know nothing about photography say it can be done. That's wonderful!
Having been a serious hobby photographer, there are few photos that aren't altered to become magnificent photos. This pre-dates the digital era as well. Wedding photographers (I used to do that too) always frame large so they can crop what they want. They would dodge and burn in the film days to get the desired outcome of the photo. Rarely, and I mean very rarely, does a photographer get an absolutely stunning photo simply by pushing a button. There is always some type of editing done. In today's world of technology, it is incredibly easy to make a stunning photograph with very easy and simple editing.
I am glad Chris is making this change to the rules. This months winning photo is SUPERB!
I am glad Chris is making this change to the rules. This months winning photo is SUPERB!
Here is a great example. I spent a total 5 minutes taking photos as the sun was setting quickly. I just got a new Google 6 Pro and am not familiar with the camera that much yet.
The first photo is the original, the second is obviously cropping and enhancement.
I think you would agree that it makes for a far better photo. No HDR.
The first photo is the original, the second is obviously cropping and enhancement.
I think you would agree that it makes for a far better photo. No HDR.
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God forbid Chris changes the rules to McLaren of the Month!
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I did the same...just a little 'enhancement'.....haha
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As a former professional photographer, any magic done was in the darkroom. The skills I applied there made me look like an amazing photographer, which I was not!
Not wanting to feel left out, I'm gonna toss in my $0.02 as well...
As the saying goes, "a picture is worth 1000 words". One could spend a lot of time, energy, and effort trying to describe this photo and still come far, far short of adequately capturing what the photo did. That's the magic of photography - it's a way to take you back to a moment that has otherwise passed and in some cases, to a moment that can never be (think about how many of us feel when we see photos of the Twin Towers for example).
There's a lot more to a photo than the image itself. Composition, framing, etc. are just a few attributes that those who aren't familiar with photography (or design) simply miss when describing what makes a good photo. However, many people know a "great photo" when they see one.
@MagnumV8's photo is one of those photos.
What sets an "great pic" apart from a "good pic"? Again, many would struggle to put this into words, even those with fairly extensive photography backgrounds. Think about it for a minute - how many of us have old photos in a large tote from our parents with hundreds of god awful pics from our childhood? Does anyone of us that that if Mr. Adobe himself were editing the photos, they would somehow transform into a great work of art?
This photo, in my opinion, does not violate either Rule #2 or #3 of ROTM. Even if Photoshop or Lightroom was used to perform the HDR overlay, that does not seem to be in violation of the intent of the rule (the second sentence of rule #2). If one would argue that post-processing HDR did indeed violate the intent of the rule, how would that change if the HDR processing were done in-camera?
I would actually argue that something like HDR is actually making the image more true to life (and in particular, more true to how the human eye sees it). The best cameras are only able to capture ~14 stops of light (for those not photography experts, look up "f-stop" to understand what that means). The light capturing "eye" is absolutely incredible thanks to millions of years of evolution and the human eye is even more so. While we don't have the laser sharpness of a bird of prey, we do have a very impressive ~21 stops of range. This means that even on the brightest of days, blacks are black and whites are white. We can see the shadowy figures inside a canyon while facing the sunset, whereas a camera would either blow out the sunset to capture the shadows or vice versa.
JOSTEDAL-NORUEGA by Francisco José Moreno Caballero
Some like to think that photos like the one above happens because an expertly skilled photographer knew exactly what f-stop and shutter speed to use, while also nailing down the white-balance (or film selection) well ahead of time and was in the perfect spot, at the perfect time, with perfect setting ready to go. That is simply not true. The famous Ansel Adams - the king of tonal range - once said "You don't take a photograph, you make it".
A great photographer understands what elements make a great photo (framing, composition, etc) and then what is needed to "tell the story" - then he or she combines the two. That is all that was done here... Excellent work @MagnumV8
As the saying goes, "a picture is worth 1000 words". One could spend a lot of time, energy, and effort trying to describe this photo and still come far, far short of adequately capturing what the photo did. That's the magic of photography - it's a way to take you back to a moment that has otherwise passed and in some cases, to a moment that can never be (think about how many of us feel when we see photos of the Twin Towers for example).
There's a lot more to a photo than the image itself. Composition, framing, etc. are just a few attributes that those who aren't familiar with photography (or design) simply miss when describing what makes a good photo. However, many people know a "great photo" when they see one.
@MagnumV8's photo is one of those photos.
What sets an "great pic" apart from a "good pic"? Again, many would struggle to put this into words, even those with fairly extensive photography backgrounds. Think about it for a minute - how many of us have old photos in a large tote from our parents with hundreds of god awful pics from our childhood? Does anyone of us that that if Mr. Adobe himself were editing the photos, they would somehow transform into a great work of art?
This photo, in my opinion, does not violate either Rule #2 or #3 of ROTM. Even if Photoshop or Lightroom was used to perform the HDR overlay, that does not seem to be in violation of the intent of the rule (the second sentence of rule #2). If one would argue that post-processing HDR did indeed violate the intent of the rule, how would that change if the HDR processing were done in-camera?
I would actually argue that something like HDR is actually making the image more true to life (and in particular, more true to how the human eye sees it). The best cameras are only able to capture ~14 stops of light (for those not photography experts, look up "f-stop" to understand what that means). The light capturing "eye" is absolutely incredible thanks to millions of years of evolution and the human eye is even more so. While we don't have the laser sharpness of a bird of prey, we do have a very impressive ~21 stops of range. This means that even on the brightest of days, blacks are black and whites are white. We can see the shadowy figures inside a canyon while facing the sunset, whereas a camera would either blow out the sunset to capture the shadows or vice versa.
JOSTEDAL-NORUEGA by Francisco José Moreno Caballero
Some like to think that photos like the one above happens because an expertly skilled photographer knew exactly what f-stop and shutter speed to use, while also nailing down the white-balance (or film selection) well ahead of time and was in the perfect spot, at the perfect time, with perfect setting ready to go. That is simply not true. The famous Ansel Adams - the king of tonal range - once said "You don't take a photograph, you make it".
A great photographer understands what elements make a great photo (framing, composition, etc) and then what is needed to "tell the story" - then he or she combines the two. That is all that was done here... Excellent work @MagnumV8
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Better for sure! For me, I think I would have done the crop more like this and added some bokeh before stylizing to get the feel you were going for (pardon my correction attempt, I only have a 12 year old copy of Corel on work laptop!).