No aluminum Savvy bumpers in near future

That's right. It matters that I have a ramped sliding surface. And a ramped sliding surface that won't collapse under the weight of the Jeep. That rules out this UCF and GenRight. If having that feature doesn't matter, then enjoy your bumper.
I would have just pointed out the many well thought out features of the SAVVY aluminum bumper instead of uninformed bashing of everything else you don’t want him to spend his money on, It’s that good and worth waiting for, prove me wrong.
 
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I would have just pointed out the many well thought out features of the SAVVY aluminum bumper instead of uninformed bashing of everything else you don’t want him to spend his money on, It’s that good and worth waiting for, prove me wrong.

Damned if I do. Damned if I don't. Prove me wrong.
 
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Nothing matters! Buy whatever looks good on your Jeep since apparently we can't comment about any merits or deficiencies or anything!
 
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Only thing I noticed was that in my Fedex delivery manager there is a third entry.
The two that were shipped and delivered with the bumper and winch guard.
But then a third listed at 5 pounds that is still on label created.

I was told by Gerald on 10/6 that it would be 2 - 3 weeks for the fairlead to ship, and that a label was created. The three weeks is up at the end of this week, so we'll see!
 
I am way out of my element, but feeling the need to show some ignorance.
Aluminum is lighter and I can see why there are some passionate responses here. But aluminum has its weaknesses which can to some extent depend on its series, how it is treated, when it is treated and when the shaping occurs. 6061can be as prone to cracking as 5000 series. There are some applications where a series is better for certain tasks, but in the end, aluminum likes to fail earlier in the fatigue cycle than let's say steel. The huge advantage is weight, but at 600 bucks, my guess is the manufacturers are obtaining a series and then shaping. The metal is already heat treated before the process not during to obtain a desired characteristic.. I might be wrong tho..
 
Comment based on fact and experience not conjecture.

Mine too. Nevermind that the OP wanted something comparable to Savvy. That isn't Genright, based on my experience. But again, that doesn't really matter until it does, as evidenced by your experience with GR.
 
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Mine too. Nevermind that the OP wanted something comparable to Savvy. That isn't Genright, based on my experience. But again, that doesn't really matter until it does, as evidenced by your experience with GR.

Shawn's bumper was trashed - I wish I got a picture, but all I know is that was a garbage bumper he regretted ever owning.
 
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I am way out of my element, but feeling the need to show some ignorance.
Aluminum is lighter and I can see why there are some passionate responses here. But aluminum has its weaknesses which can to some extent depend on its series, how it is treated, when it is treated and when the shaping occurs. 6061can be as prone to cracking as 5000 series. There are some applications where a series is better for certain tasks, but in the end, aluminum likes to fail earlier in the fatigue cycle than let's say steel. The huge advantage is weight, but at 600 bucks, my guess is the manufacturers are obtaining a series and then shaping. The metal is already heat treated before the process not during to obtain a desired characteristic.. I might be wrong tho..

Correct. Not even Savvy is heat treating after fabrication. That is why the corner reenforcements exist. And if you pay attention to these discussions and some history, the original intent was to include the corners as standard equipment.
 
Mine too. Nevermind that the OP wanted something comparable to Savvy. That isn't Genright, based on my experience. But again, that doesn't really matter until it does, as evidenced by your experience with GR.
You’ve had neither the SAVVY or the GR, at least I speak from experience.

You’re not wrong.
 
If the right mineral replacement occurred to the doo-doo and the shape was right you might be able to run it as a front bumper, IF you got the corner reinforcements. Stranger shit has happened.

That's a big log.
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I am way out of my element, but feeling the need to show some ignorance.
Aluminum is lighter and I can see why there are some passionate responses here. But aluminum has its weaknesses which can to some extent depend on its series, how it is treated, when it is treated and when the shaping occurs. 6061can be as prone to cracking as 5000 series. There are some applications where a series is better for certain tasks, but in the end, aluminum likes to fail earlier in the fatigue cycle than let's say steel. The huge advantage is weight, but at 600 bucks, my guess is the manufacturers are obtaining a series and then shaping. The metal is already heat treated before the process not during to obtain a desired characteristic.. I might be wrong tho..

You have some of it correct. 6061 in the T6 temper is very prone to cracking if the bend radius is too small. One of the tell tale signs that a manufacturer can be stretching the truth a bit in the description is how tight the bends are. It is never more prone to cracking than the 50xx series even in the highest tempers.

A big advantage is weight but the other aspect that helps for armor is how close the tensile is to ultimate yield. That shortens the fatigue life at high stresses but it also makes it very resistant to bending and denting. We get near full ultimate yield in use. Since bumpers and armor are not continually stressed and only see the occasional smack and bump here and there , the fatigue life span is of little consequence. Even for control arms, they are being stressed in the most fatigue resistant way possible being tension and compression so they will never fail in those directions.
 
The thing that many people fail to realize is we don't really give a fuck what people buy. However we do like for correct information to be out there and available. What people do with it from there doesn't really matter, aside from denying some basic science (like the bend radius of 6061T6 that maintains the properties we know to matter).

I won't be running this bumper until I can source the hardcore upgrade to protect the corners since I slam the shit out of my bumper sometimes.

I have some
 
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