Blaine, you are one of the few exceptions, you have the experience to know what works and doesn't, but I have dealt with many people who drive an SUV and think they know about jeeps and how unreliable they are because a buddy's cousin's friend was always working on his... (87 wrangler 2.5 with 4.11's and 35's) as an example. I think that there are some ingenious designs for some products out there and that you may even have tried them and know if they work or not. I also think there is some real crap products out there too. I know that I am working on the plans for my LJ build, and I have been talking with Blackjack about what mods were done with his jeep, I liked what I saw in the Nth short arm modifications he did which matches the kind of use I am planning for the LJ. I also like a lot of things that you have done on rigs you have built. I feel that I am fairly good at analyzing and recognizing things that work and some that do not. I hope you take this as the compliment it is meant to be. Your experience is a valuable asset to the forums and to people like me who need to be schooled. My biggest failing right now is that my welding skills have fallen behind what they should be. There are several mods that I want to do that you have proven sucessful, one being outboarding shocks, but I suck at vertical and overhead mig... that is why it maybe a while before I take that project on. Tim