true, and another consideration is the TJ is shorter where it would be a tighter turn where as on an LJ it would be wider.
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It's easy to get caught up in small differences. Id make a big change and find the range that you like, then dial it in from there
Just get a premade CA from any company out there that has three holes on it and use that separation dimension, Is there for a reason and once you pick your hole, the rest will be beaten to death on one of these threads.
It's been there off and on and all thoughout. People just don't want to see it. And perhaps I wasn't clear. Given my experiences both with mine and watching those around me, I still think these brackets are a waste of effort even for the smaller builds. Put the effort elsewhere. For those trying to decide, take that for what is worth. That's how these things work.
And if people are going to decide on an Atlas or an LS, they should know none of that is true.
even knowing the weight, we're all just guessing at the CoG height. The Triage calculator even goes into unsprung weight per axle, and I've only figured out that it moves the 100% AS line, but not how yet.
EDIT - the 100% AS line runs from the ground below the rear axle centerline, to the point above the front axle centerline that intersects with the AS CG line, which is a horizontal line at height determined by this forumula:
(CG Height*VehicleMass - RearUnsprungMass*TireRollingRadius)/(VehicleMass - RearUnsprungMass)
Anybody weighed their complete Dana 44 with sway bar but without links? And then separately weighed their driveshaft, arms, track bar?
Anybody weighed their rig laying on it's side with separate scales under the tires and under the upper tube of the roll cage?
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I don't think it matters, can use weld washers if you want to
To be fair the difference on the road is highly noticeable and valuable for daily driving.
I gave my best guess at the unsprung axle weight by adding the axle, wheels, tires, and a little bit for cushion.
No doubt that it's there. Wait till you get some good shocks. You'll rethink what highly noticable is.
Cant argue with that^ when I was still on my stock arms with blown bushings and put on the new gas powered foxs, highly noticable is an understatement. I cant wait to outboard to feel that difference
That was happening before this thread anyway. I already have towers, shocks, and caliper flip. Just need to find the right time to get it done. I'm currently testing the 5000x shocks to give some unbiased opinions on the 5100's and the 5000x's. Then on to the RR Fox's.
Then an R2.8 engine swapThat was happening before this thread anyway. I already have towers, shocks, and caliper flip. Just need to find the right time to get it done. I'm currently testing the 5000x shocks to give some unbiased opinions on the 5100's and the 5000x's. Then on to the RR Fox's.
Ok I dug through some old long arm vs short arm threads and found some calculations @jjvw has done.
Here is a 4” lift with no geo correction. Antisquat in the 170% range
Here is Josh’s midarm. Antisquat in the 80% range
Here is geo correction. Antisquat at 117%
It would make sense that the 37% difference in Antisquat observed between geo correction and savvy midarm is probably bulk of the difference in hopping we observe in the videos. Happy folks? See how nice science and numbers and communication can be? Geo correction is roughly 50% lower AS than stock brackets, and savvy midarm is roughly 90% lower than stock brackets.
Here is a 4” lift with no geo correction. Antisquat in the 170% range
Here is Josh’s midarm. Antisquat in the 80% range
Here is geo correction. Antisquat at 117%
It would make sense that the 37% difference in Antisquat observed between geo correction and savvy midarm is probably bulk of the difference in hopping we observe in the videos. Happy folks? See how nice science and numbers and communication can be? Geo correction is roughly 50% lower AS than stock brackets, and savvy midarm is roughly 90% lower than stock brackets.
Wheels off to wheels on? Straightened springs? Arms and track bar readjusted?
You have done this before right?
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