Improving the cooling on our TJs

I don't see steel freeze plugs fail routinely either, do you?

You live in AZ, which isn't exactly the capital of the corrosion world.

I'm not worried about you using brass if you aren't. I prefer my plug to match closer to the block's material. No seizing issues to report and I'm not in danger of the bit stripping out the plug.



Accurate numbers from a legit gauge don't lie. I'll take them over your guessing and less useful pattern awareness (bc the gauge is all over the place and has latency built into it).



Got it. I'll make sure to pay attention to that if I get one.



I'm nothing more than a tinkerer who likes to learn and share what I find.

I'd have to follow up with you later on this bc I can't do this until I take a CA exam next month. I really hate fighting the thermostat during install otherwise I wouldn't be so hesitant. I don't mind paying for the item. I'll have good data logged on my current setup when I drive to and back from CA at the end of July. Maybe I can play with the RS thermostat after I get back in August. Feel free to DM me so this doesn't get lost to history.



Yea the Mopar locked up, while the USMW I purchased to replace it was loose from the go. I put the 2791 Hayden in and all has been good since February.



I've seen the differences in thermostats by watching the needle as well. So it's pretty good for being consistent with when the Thermostat opens from what I recall.

The issue is that I've seen my temps on the gauge look very different than what the stock gauge reports. There's no pattern to it bc the needle both under & over reports depending on the moment. Sounds ridiculous, but I've personally seen it many times.

I consider the stock guage to be a "things appear to be ok" gauge. Which is great for folks on the road who need to know that they are good. But not so good when comparing TJ to TJ performance because we are all seeing different patterns unless our gauges are accurate.

The galvanic corrosion would happen from the inside, regardless of where the jeep lives, that’s the concern being constantly submerged in water. If a steel freezeplug seizes, who cares, it’s doing it job twice I guess, lol. The point is, easy access to perform service. Easier it is the more likely you’ll be to perform the proper service …. Properly. I can tell you that perfect rust free desert SBC 350s will give you a HEKKOVA time removing their drain plugs, luckily they’re external hex.

Sounds like a plan for the thermostat. Just don’t buy a Mr Gasket knockoff, additionally, test them in a pan before installing! I do this and never found a “bad” thermostat until I tried the Mr Gasket, looks like the same but in my case opened early. Maybe a fluke. But I bough 5 Robert shaws and watched them all open in unison …

So you see, both you and I can characterize what is going on with the cooling system with the stock gauge. Yes, we’ll never know if the coolant is 230 or 210, but who cares, it’s not overheating or “too hot”. But I can see that configuration A is warmer than configuration B. That’s all I need to know. Also, I can tell my current configuration runs the “coolest” I’ve ever experienced in a TJ. With AC on and in the heat, the needle barely heads north of the 210 dot. What that temperature is exactly, I don’t know. But I know where all my other TJs needles escalate to in similar situations, usually a couple needle widths past the 210 dot, still acceptable.

Also, keep in mind that these TJs ran 3 different computer systems with 3 different methods of reporting data to the cluster. 97-99, 2000-04 and 05-06. I’ve owned 1 98 and the other 5 were 05-06. I feel like the 98 was a more honest set of gauges. I wonder if when going to a hemi swap or tuning a TJ that ALL gauge filtering can be removed for a pure measurement.
 
Just used some mouse milk on a seized fitting yesterday. It holds up well in higher-temp situations (should work well on engine block plugs).

What do you mean it holds up to high heat? As in torching and adding some mouse milk? The stuff is in another league beyond PB. Good stuff.
 
What do you mean it holds up to high heat? As in torching and adding some mouse milk? The stuff is in another league beyond PB. Good stuff.

I originally saw folks praising how it worked for decades on aircraft engines and exhaust items.

I bought some to lubricate my turbo's waste-gate linkage and the binding issue hasn't come back. I use it mostly as a penetrating oil, but it's supposed to be a good cutting fluid as well.

I put some on my fender fasteners but ended up not removing the exhaust manifold when I wanted to. When I get to that project, I'll put more on the fender fasteners and some on the intake/exhaust manifold fasteners before I try to torque them off.
 
I originally saw folks praising how it worked for decades on aircraft engines and exhaust items.

I bought some to lubricate my turbo's waste-gate linkage and the binding issue hasn't come back. I use it mostly as a penetrating oil, but it's supposed to be a good cutting fluid as well.

I put some on my fender fasteners but ended up not removing the exhaust manifold when I wanted to. When I get to that project, I'll put more on the fender fasteners and some on the intake/exhaust manifold fasteners before I try to torque them off.

Ive fought some seriously seized fasteners and just a few drops from a metal dropper made them just pop right off … we don’t have much corrosion issues in Phoenix, but I’m working on 40-50 year old hardware. I was able to EASILY remove seized up catalytic converter nuts from my 81 corvette. I mangled one nut before I realized I had a little bottle.
 
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Ive fought some seriously seized fasteners and just a few drops from a metal dropper made them just pop right off … we don’t have much corrosion issues in Phoenix, but I’m working on 40-50 year old hardware. I was able to EASILY remove seized up catalytic converter nuts from my 81 corvette. I mangled one nut before I realized I had a little bottle.

Nice! The dropper w/ needle works great me me too. The stuff is too awesome to waste. :)
 
Ya know, grew up being into computers, building, gaming, nerding out, etc I dumped owning a PC about 8-10 years ago. With just my phone I been able to do everything I need! Buying homes, cars, stocks, research, BS’ing on forums… you name it.

Ya know, grew up being into computers, building, gaming, nerding out, etc. Plus designing, programming, and building from the component level professionally for 45 years. I have a pretty good idea of what a computer is, and a PHOOOOOONNE isn't it - they're horrid computers! Yet here you are complaining about the thing - and rightfully so! If you're gonna live by the PHOOOOOONNE, then you shouldn't complain about it being the horrid thing it is! :D ;)

Jack of all trades, master of none!
 
Ya know, grew up being into computers, building, gaming, nerding out, etc. Plus designing, programming, and building from the component level professionally for 45 years. I have a pretty good idea of what a computer is, and a PHOOOOOONNE isn't it - they're horrid computers! Yet here you are complaining about the thing - and rightfully so! If you're gonna live by the PHOOOOOONNE, then you shouldn't complain about it being the horrid thing it is! :D ;)

Jack of all trades, master of none!

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If you wish to argue the utility of smartphones with Zorba...

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If you wish to argue the utility of smartphones with Zorba...

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I just find it amusing that on the one hand he says he "hates his phone" (rightfully so says here), then on the other hand gives the same tired old mantra of how he can do everything with it. I see someone who has found out that the "jack of all trades" isn't particularly good at much of the many things it can do, yet states that this is a Good Thing (tm)! :ROFLMAO:
 
Yes that's the correct thermostat, it has the specified 195 degree rating per the Mopar parts guide.

When your Autozone Duralast radiator fails, I'd not take them up on their "lifetime" warranty and replace it with another Duralast. I'd try to find a Mopar, hopefully there will still be some somewhere by then. Duralast is not a good brand and their radiators don't cool as well or have the quality of the Mopar. Don't take their lifetime warranty to mean it has good quality, it just means they'll give you another when it fails. That may not seem like a good business model but it is. By the time most people get around to replacing things like their radiators, water pumps, etc. they typically don't own their cars for long afterward so AutoZone doesn't end up having to replace it again after its first purchase. Us Jeep owners do tend to keep our Jeeps a long time so when replacing critical parts like that it's best to pay a little more to get better quality than Duralast. Mopar if you can find it for critical parts like radiators, water pumps, sensors, etc.

Multiple options...

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So what do you do when the 8mm square becomes round? Asking for a friend.

Try packing a little bit of paper in the female square to remove the slop at the rounded area...but not so much that you can't get the male square in.

Took me a bit to find this, but I got a hex plug out once using a friend's old extractor set just like this. I don't know if it will work for a square plug, but it worked for a rounded-off plug (and you could easily make it more "roundy"). I may buy a set like this as well.

Match the extractor to the barely undersized hole...tap it in using the side of a hammer, and then slide the hex coupler (turnout) over the extractor and use a breaker bar over the hex coupler to break the plug free. It bit pretty good for me so I think it could work...and I'd run some penetrating before you try to remove it.

I've used the reverse thread easy-outs, but I'd try this style first.
 
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Ok so I took out the 19in 6blade fan fan today to make some direct comparisons to the stock 5 blade fan I measured from 5 different areas in the grill using the same meter the 6 blade fan pulled a 1mph faster avg airflow than the 5 blade at idle 5.63mph to the 6 blades 6.58mph also during my 30min testing intervals the 6 blade fan stayed at 210f while the factory 5 was at 221f with a 90 degree ambient temperature and ac on max needless to say i can confidently recommend this as a solid upgrade to your factory cooling system and happy I found it!

Cheers!
 
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Ok so I took out the 19in 6blade fan fan today to make some direct comparisons to the stock 5 blade fan I measured from 5 different areas in the grill using the same meter the 6 blade fan pulled a 1mph faster avg airflow than the 5 blade at idle 5.63mph to the 6 blades 6.58mph also during my 30min testing intervals the 6 blade fan stayed at 210f while the factory 5 was at 221f with a 90 degree ambient temperature and ac on max needless to say i can confidently recommend this as a solid upgrade to your factory cooling system and happy I found it!

Cheers!

Might that also mean it’s quieter as well? I’d think the 19” is moving slower, that would be a nice secondary benefit.

I might have missed something, where did this fan come from? A Chevy truck? My corvette uses a 19” fan blade but I need a reverse rotation and many folks use TJ fans, but they’re smaller… I found that a newer Chevy truck (1996+ Chevy Truck SBC 350 “vortec”) is a modern plastic blade, reverse rotation (like out TJs) and 19” diameter.

How close is the shroud to the 19” fan?
 
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Ok so I took out the 19in 6blade fan fan today to make some direct comparisons to the stock 5 blade fan on average using the same meter the 6 blade fan pulls 1mph faster airflow than the 5 blade at idle 5.4mph to the 6 blades 6.4mph also during my testing interval the 6 blade fan stayed at 210f while the factory 5 was at 221f needless to say i can confidently recommend this as a solid upgrade to your factory cooling system and happy I found it!

Cheers!

Might that also mean it’s quieter as well? I’d think the 19” is moving slower, that would be a nice secondary benefit.

I might have missed something, where did this fan come from? A Chevy truck? My corvette uses a 19” fan blade but I need a reverse rotation and many folks use TJ fans, but they’re smaller… I found that a newer Chevy truck (1996+ Chevy Truck SBC 350 “vortec”) is a modern plastic blade, reverse rotation (like out TJs) and 19” diameter.

How close is the shroud to the 19” fan?

It’s around 1/2-3/4 of an inch it hasn’t contacted anything so far it a derale 17919 fan and I’d say it similar in noise but a much higher arguably worse pitch it’s higher and more whiny but worth the performance improvement for me I also had to re drill the shroud to make sure it was centered correctly otherwise it definitely would hit somewhere.

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I added a $30 Hayden power steering cooler today I used 3 1/2in rubberized clamps and some zip ties to mount it seems like the perfect little budget cooler!

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For anyone who gets crud in their heater core, I addressed the issue in post #54,616 on this page.

I've already seen an improvement and hope that adding the inline screen will help keep the larger crud from reaching into my radiator again.
 
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I believe the mirror is OEM since it came with the vehicle when I got it, but I can’t say for sure.

The accuracy was spot on today while driving. I made sure to check because it’s not always accurate. For example, the mirror display said 120* a few days ago while sitting in the sun with only the key on.
 
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