Adventures with ACC carpet kits

I wonder if RA has their own "tweaks" to the ACC carpet they sell

The way I understand it, which could be wrong, Rock Auto operates similar to Amazon and essentially just offers a marketplace for buyers and sellers. If that's accurate, then no, RA has no control or "tweaks" to products sold via the website, RA is just a middle man. Honestly, we could even be buying returned items, which I've had suspicion of before.
 
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Do car manufacturers make their interior upholstery in house? Or do they contract it out?

I am not sure but a new carpet ordered from the dealership is much better and very different from kit carpet. Same thing goes for seat covers. However stock on those parts are limited and when they are gone they are gone.
 
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I have a TJ I just installed the same kit in, Essex mass backed dark slate that was just fine and just like yours, thus my irritation that the first kit looked like a completely different company made it. It has some problems that should be fixed but I know now it isn't worth the effort it will take if I could even get it done.

That was one of the key points during all of my conversations. I have one that is much better than this so I know this one isn't supposed to be this way.

I tried to get this one already cut for the rear roll bars like the TJ has, they would not do it. I tried to get the front without edge binding like the TJ, again, would not do it.

Most of the major fit problems we have had with ACC kits have been because whoever put the carpet onto the molding machine put it on crooked. We do our best to check for that issue first before cutting anything so we can return if that’s the case. You can also cut the thread on the back of the binding and remove it and have it rebound by an upholstery shop after trimming.
 
This is the ACC mass backed loop carpet kit that I installed in my 1976 Dodge truck. It was too long in the back and the front sides. Both of those areas binding so I cut it off and trimmed to fit. Sewed on new binding after. The bigger problem was that the transmission tunnel was molded to big and loose. So to fix that I glued a 3” thick piece of foam to the tunnel and carved it to fit the carpet.
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And the finished interior.
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Most of the major fit problems we have had with ACC kits have been because whoever put the carpet onto the molding machine put it on crooked. We do our best to check for that issue first before cutting anything so we can return if that’s the case. You can also cut the thread on the back of the binding and remove it and have it rebound by an upholstery shop after trimming.
Snips from my emails back and forth.
Based off of the photos provide the only thing we can do is sell you a new carpet kit with management inspection before the item ships.
That tells me based on the passenger footwell piece that their managers don't have a reference sample to check against or if they do, they didn't use it.

If you happen to get this carpet and you are not happy with it upon inspection your more than welcome to contact us directly and we will take a look at your concerns. We cannot replace or refund if you have cut, glued, trimmed, or altered in any manner. This item is also custom non-returnable so if you get it and decide not to install it just because then it cannot be returned.

That is when I had to really nail them down on how they expected me to check the fit into the rear corners if it has to cut around the roll bar first?

I had another issue with glue. Nothing we tried would stick to the vinyl backing. I asked them, they said to just use 3M high strength spray. Tried it with the same results, just peels right off. I finally broke out the spray glue pot and the Landau top glue that all my professional buddies use. It wouldn't stick either. Finally, we figured out if you scuff the back with acetone and a red Scotchbrite hand pad, that will remove whatever mold release they are using and then the Landau glue works perfectly.

Point of that mess is I am aware of how to get the edge binding corrected but that won't add a piece where it is too short. I'm over it and not spending one more minute on the install.
 
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Snips from my emails back and forth.
Based off of the photos provide the only thing we can do is sell you a new carpet kit with management inspection before the item ships.
That tells me based on the passenger footwell piece that their managers don't have a reference sample to check against or if they do, they didn't use it.

If you happen to get this carpet and you are not happy with it upon inspection your more than welcome to contact us directly and we will take a look at your concerns. We cannot replace or refund if you have cut, glued, trimmed, or altered in any manner. This item is also custom non-returnable so if you get it and decide not to install it just because then it cannot be returned.

That is when I had to really nail them down on how they expected me to check the fit into the rear corners if it has to cut around the roll bar first?

I had another issue with glue. Nothing we tried would stick to the vinyl backing. I asked them, they said to just use 3M high strength spray. Tried it with the same results, just peels right off. I finally broke out the spray glue pot and the Landau top glue that all my professional buddies use. It wouldn't stick either. Finally, we figured out if you scuff the back with acetone and a red Scotchbrite hand pad, that will remove whatever mold release they are using and then the Landau glue works perfectly.

Point of that mess is I am aware of how to get the edge binding corrected but that won't add a piece where it is too short. I'm over it and not spending one more minute on the install.

I understand your frustration as someone who also tries to do the best possible work for customers. Unfortunately the parts that are available for us to buy seem to be getting worse in quality as the owners of old companies are retiring and selling out to larger companies.
 
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The thing that is ridiculous about ACC is that they have what could be an excellent product .. when done right, the Essex carpet with mass backing is quite nice. But the insanity of you can order two of the exact same kit and have them come out so very different like Blaine is highlighting here, and the poor customer service just makes it recommending them a no-go.
 
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A kit was ordered from Rock Auto in Essex Dark Slate for us to try and install. It didn't take long before we figured out it was molded poorly and no amount of skill or work was going to make it fit correctly. Sadly, it takes a fair bit of effort before you can fully figure that out.
The left rear corner would not go under the tub rail very far. It was stretched pretty tight and pushing further only resulted in the molded corner at the long outer edge of the inner fender being pushed up too high.
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Worse, on the face of it, there is not an immediate method to figure this out. (we did eventually though)

The other side is just fine. Molded into the corner like it should. After a fair bit of poking and prodding, we got the sides and floor of the cargo area sorta installed and moved to the passenger foot well. At this point, I'm starting to get annoyed.
Both 1's should be close to the same shape.
Both 2's should fit around the roll bar the same.
Both 3's should have close to the same shape. Of note, there is a gap where the trans tunnel meets the cargo step. It can't be slid back to close that up because the cuts around the roll bar dictate fore and aft location.
4 points to big flaps that just lay up on the side of the tub instead of being cut around the bubble. Big flaps may be okay, but they would need to line up with matching flaps for the front sections to be sorta correct.

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And no they don't. To match, they would be up around the green line under the door sill. Pay attention to the poor fit around the front bubble.
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The left side. Better, still no flap and it does fit okay, not great, but okay.
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Anyway, none of this is what I considered to be remotely acceptable and having just installed a kit in a TJ, I could not figure out why this one had edge binding. I contacted ACC to try and get some help. They explained that I was a Rock Auto customer and had to go through them. I explained that we both know that RA has the worst possible customer service so, if I had to take this kit out and throw it away and then purchase one directly from ACC, I would do so because no matter how this goes, they will wind up dealing with me so may as well start now. I eventually had to call in and get someone on the phone to get this dealt with and their answer was to sell me one while fully ignoring the terrible fit of this kit.

There were many rounds of back and forth with them telling me that the next kit would be manager inspected before it shipped. That was basically their only nod to this one being bad. We'll have a manager inspect the next. I tried to get it without edge binding so I could at least trim to fit in problem areas. Nope, only comes one way. Ya'll do see the irony in the middle C standing for "custom", right? That's the way it comes, take it or leave it. Fine.

Then I got the email as a response to me asking for some assurance the kit I was about to pay 1200 dollars for would fit and be remedied if it didn't. I was told it was custom, I owned it and it was not returnable. I have the quote from the email if anyone needs it. I eventually got them to admit that there are some areas that can not be checked without some cutting so there might be a little wiggle room there.

So, 1200 dollars later, 2 more weeks, boxing up and returning the other kit to RA, lots of time, more hassle than should be legal and lots of me just being an annoying ass because I don't like crap products from companies with stellar reviews, we get this.

This one is pretty good. We still had to do a lot of trim work since they don't offer the quick install version, but this is how the first kit should have come. (mostly)
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And just to show that we kinda know how to do this, this is our trim work for the roll bar.
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The front fits a fair bit better as well. We had to add a 5mm stud and use an OEM push retainer in the right foot well to hold up that section that folded back down on the floor, but all in all, the fit is acceptable.

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They still can't get the passenger foot well correct but I was over it by this time and we'll just pretend we don't see it.
We trimmed the flap at the green line which you can see on the right side above.
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This is how it arrived.
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Lessons learned-
ACC doesn't deserve the stellar reviews we see.
They treat Rock Auto customers like second class citizens.
We paid way too much to put up with this much BS.
Custom is not in their vocabulary, their name yes, vocabulary no.
They don't like to admit when their product is crap.
If you cut it, you own it even if cutting is required to check fitment.
Whatever they are using as an OEM fitment reference is either bad or being ignored.
Edge binding sucks.
The amount of work to make it look nice is astoundingly high if you are not highly practiced in the art of automotive carpet kits.

Finally, they included a 2' x 3' section of thick padding to go someplace. When I asked what it was for, they said just stick it under the middle of the cargo floor section. I said it was half as big as it should be, they said that's the way it is? WTF??

ACC was sorta communist when I dealt with them once- wasn’t impresses service wise.
 
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Once you place the order their is zero flexibility to change without a charge- you can sense its their way or the highway - I have seen companies like that - guarding profits and losing clients- they usually don’t fare well long term.

I have a horrible situation at work now.

A guy took a high end job and bonked it up- we stand to lose 30 grand. I’ll make it right if it kills me.
 
No idea. I've never dealt with Armorlite and Bedrug is the Smittybilt version of products in the carpet world. They don't make a single TJ product I like, will own, or will install. I've done several and afterwards, just don't see the appeal. They are molded so-so. They are expensive for what you get, they are thin, and color options are crap.

I currently have carpet and want to move away from it because of the stains and moisture retention. I still like the feel and sound of something over the tub making it more “cozy” like the carpet has offered but was always thought bedrug was that solution. What is that solution you would recommend and have done in rigs that don’t want carpet? Just leave the tub bare? Bedline?