Chinese Antirock

[steelhd]

The biggest problems in Australia anyway is the "Made In" which allows manufacturers to use Chinese produced parts assembled in AU!

Same thing in the United States. As long as 51% of the cost inputs to a product or assembly are domestic it is legally made in the USA. Mine, forge, machine, mold, etc everything anywhere on earth then use relatively high dollar low skill American labor in a high rent American facility to slap it together and like magic it's made in the USA. The rabid buy American types jizz themselves buying something because it's made in the USA and have no idea that the thing they brag about has foreign child labor fingerprints all over it. Better than buying something that was never touched by American labor but not by much.

 

[steelhd]

No one ever brags about paying more...

I see you haven't spent a lot of time around overlanders and fly fishermen.

 

[Head Lice]

It is a blatant copy. It only exists because we have a culture in the US of demanding lower prices for the "same" products which has caused us to devolve into a society that values price above all else.

The man hours and originality John put into that product are fully circumvented by acquiring one and then making a copy of it. That bypasses all of the effort and expense which is a crappy way to get from point A to point B in product development.

Same thing happening in Canada. I look for Canadian made, failing that, I look for American made products. These are our countries and the manufacturers here need our support.

 

[andy29847]

It is a blatant copy. It only exists because we have a culture in the US of demanding lower prices for the "same" products which has caused us to devolve into a society that values price above all .

The Walmart Economy.

 

[UKTJ]

It is a blatant copy. It only exists because we have a culture in the US of demanding lower prices for the "same" products which has caused us to devolve into a society that values price above all else. No one ever brags about paying more but let someone go buy a 50,000 dollar car and beat the poor salesman out of half of his 1000 dollar commission and they'll brag to everyone how they fucked the dealer.

The man hours and originality John put into that product are fully circumvented by acquiring one and then making a copy of it. That bypasses all of the effort and expense which is a crappy way to get from point A to point B in product development.

But it is neither a new thing, nor a specifically Chinese thing. I worked for Ford in the early '90', there was an entire department called 'tear down'. Whenever a new model or variant was released by a competitor or an existing model had something new added the team would go buy one of the cars. They would then strip the car down to the individual component level to determine if there was anything that could help the Ford engineers improve functionality or maintain functionality at a reduced cost.

I do understand as you are somebody that develops product it is offensive. Many of those that put time and effort into developing new products will not continue to do so if their ideas are copied by others. Some of the premium price charged by innovators is frequently recycled into more development of innovative products.

As you say there is only any point in making the cheaper copies if there is a market for them.

 

[UKTJ]

I see you haven't spent a lot of time around overlanders and fly fishermen.

Or people selling their TJs

 

[mrblaine]

I see you haven't spent a lot of time around overlanders and fly fishermen.

Not really, I apologize for that oversight, but in general, it is still true.

 

[mrblaine]

But it is neither a new thing, nor a specifically Chinese thing. I worked for Ford in the early '90', there was an entire department called 'tear down'. Whenever a new model or variant was released by a competitor or an existing model had something new added the team would go buy one of the cars. They would then strip the car down to the individual component level to determine if there was anything that could help the Ford engineers improve functionality or maintain functionality at a reduced cost.

Sorta the same but not really. They were not able to use protected ideas with impunity.

I do understand as you are somebody that develops product it is offensive.

No, I'm only more sensitive to it now. I was never not offended by Napster and those who used a myriad of bullshit excuses to justify their theft of intellectual property. I had not developed a single product back then. But I was has honest then as I am now.

Many of those that put time and effort into developing new products will not continue to do so if their ideas are copied by others.

Very correct and something that has stopped me from doing lots of new stuff.

Some of the premium price charged by innovators is frequently recycled into more development of innovative products.

You assume it is a premium price. Generally it is the amortization of development costs over the projected life cycle of the product and it only appears to be a premium when the lesser cost copies arrive on scene without the burden of development.

As you say there is only any point in making the cheaper copies if there is a market for them.

 

[Jezza]

It is a blatant copy. It only exists because we have a culture in the US of demanding lower prices for the "same" products which has caused us to devolve into a society that values price above all else. No one ever brags about paying more but let someone go buy a 50,000 dollar car and beat the poor salesman out of half of his 1000 dollar commission and they'll brag to everyone how they fucked the dealer.

The man hours and originality John put into that product are fully circumvented by acquiring one and then making a copy of it. That bypasses all of the effort and expense which is a crappy way to get from point A to point B in product development.

That, as well as the fact they are marketing it a "Antirock" brand name which in my opinion is an attempt to confuse people into thinking that they are getting a brand name product when they are not.

 

[The shuggs]

But it is neither a new thing, nor a specifically Chinese thing. I worked for Ford in the early '90', there was an entire department called 'tear down'. Whenever a new model or variant was released by a competitor or an existing model had something new added the team would go buy one of the cars. They would then strip the car down to the individual component level to determine if there was anything that could help the Ford engineers improve functionality or maintain functionality at a reduced cost.

I do understand as you are somebody that develops product it is offensive. Many of those that put time and effort into developing new products will not continue to do so if their ideas are copied by others. Some of the premium price charged by innovators is frequently recycled into more development of innovative products.

As you say there is only any point in making the cheaper copies if there is a market for them.

There is a difference between blatantly copying a design, and studying a design and coming up with an design that achieves the similar result without infringing on the existing design's patent. That's how a lot of innovation happens. Ford must've stripped apart several wranglers when designing the Bronco, but the sway bar disconnect on the Bronco is not a rip off of the one on the Jeep Rubicon.

 

[SvtLdr]

Should have called it antilock.

Or AntiRack by RackJack?

 

[John Cooper]

Sorta the same but not really. They were not able to use protected ideas with impunity.

No, I'm only more sensitive to it now. I was never not offended by Napster and those who used a myriad of bullshit excuses to justify their theft of intellectual property. I had not developed a single product back then. But I was has honest then as I am now.

Very correct and something that has stopped me from doing lots of new stuff.

You assume it is a premium price. Generally it is the amortization of development costs over the projected life cycle of the product and it only appears to be a premium when the lesser cost copies arrive on scene without the burden of development.

Great post Blaine!!!! Way better worded than I could have done.

 

[UKTJ]

There is a difference between blatantly copying a design, and studying a design and coming up with an design that achieves the similar result without infringing on the existing design's patent. That's how a lot of innovation happens. Ford must've stripped apart several wranglers when designing the Bronco, but the sway bar disconnect on the Bronco is not a rip off of the one on the Jeep Rubicon.

But we come back to the fundamental issue here, your moral and cultural 'code' considers copying somebody else's design to be wrong. But in China the moral and cultural code is different and the US no longer has the power to impose its cultural and moral code on China. The world is different and people will have to get used to it.

 

[John Cooper]

But we come back to the fundamental issue here, your moral and cultural 'code' considers copying somebody else's design to be wrong. But in China the moral and cultural code is different and the US no longer has the power to impose its cultural and moral code on China. The world is different and people will have to get used to it.

China doesn't look at morals like anyone else, they are looking at the $$$ for the government, not for the people.

 

[mrblaine]

But we come back to the fundamental issue here, your moral and cultural 'code' considers copying somebody else's design to be wrong. But in China the moral and cultural code is different and the US no longer has the power to impose its cultural and moral code on China. The world is different and people will have to get used to it.

You assume we ever did have the power. We didn't.

 

[Gollywomper]

I just bought a new truck. I’m bragging I paid MSRP and not over.

 

[pagrey]

But in China the moral and cultural code is different and the US no longer has the power to impose its cultural and moral code on China. The world is different and people will have to get used to it.

You can talk about moral codes all you want but don't kid yourself. Americans are telling them what sells, what to build and Americans are buying the products. We tell them to change the label from Badlands to Smittybilt and they just smile and say okay, how many?Everybody seems to think it's some mastermind in China while some dude in New Jersey is laughing his ass off stocking his warehouse with this stuff.

 

[williambmac]

I just bought a new truck. I’m bragging I paid MSRP and not over.

I waited a while and paid full price for a set of Savvy LED tail lights. I could have paid less and had instant gratification by going with MetalChoke, but I didn't.

 

[mrblaine]

I waited a while and paid full price for a set of Savvy LED tail lights. I could have paid less and had instant gratification by going with MetalChoke, but I didn't.

 

[williambmac]

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I see you bought the MC lights!