I am aware of the brake proportioning. With all the money that I spent on my TJ, the 125$ of additional spending on BMB rear pads is a money very well spent.
Upgrading the front pads is good, upgrading front and rear pads is better.
I am aware of the brake proportioning. With all the money that I spent on my TJ, the 125$ of additional spending on BMB rear pads is a money very well spent.
Upgrading the front pads is good, upgrading front and rear pads is better.
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
For shits n giggles
If possible, Run some brake tests before and after and document the results. Acrual stopping distances @ X speed
Seems its an uncommon thing in this particular hobby lol
If possible, Run some brake tests before and after and document the results. Acrual stopping distances @ X speed
Seems its an uncommon thing in this particular hobby lol
Doesn't matter, you, nor I nor anyone else can repeat those numbers good, bad, or indifferent. It just isn't possible and trust me, we have spent more time than should be legal trying to get some metric that would be of value.
The first stop won't be as good as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th on up to about the 9th or so and the last will be slightly worse than the first. Then we have the issue of human error and how do you actually get a vehicle moving that fast to hit a benchmark starting point every single time and then how good are they at threshhold braking. If they are not excellect and above, it gets even worse. You requested scientific proof earlier and now you want to use the least scientific method possible to try and achieve some sort of valid comparison that means something? In a nutshell, that is nothing but bullshit.
His tires won't grip the same as a different set. His rig won't respond the same. Ambient temps, road surface temps, road surface itself all produce variables that make any so called numbers thrown up fully irrelevant and meaningless because they do not represent anything you or anyone else can use and you're a fool if you try.
You ignored it earlier but the UK has the only realistic way to do it and I don't have the money for that piece of equipment.
Alright TEE, I don't know who named you, but I'm guessing it must be a lot more common some place else.
Anyway, your order went out today and I tossed a little something extra in there for you.
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You can either keep chasing numbers, or you can understand when and where you should rely on collective experiences to make a call. I understand pursuing this from a curiosity viewpoint, but just like chasing numbers on a suspension calculator, all you will be left with is a bunch of numbers that may or may not make sense, filled with uncertainties and impossible to meaningfully quantify without a bunch of qualifiers.
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
You are entitled to your opinion
I get it, you build and sell brakes, so when asked for this is perhaps is a thorn.
My request comes from years in the racing scene and quantifiable metrics ARE there., as well as those used by OEM in testing and designing of vehicles. ESPECIALLY performance divisions. Unless you are saying that too is bullshit??
Anyone with sense knows you get brake fade from heat and days are required and cooling periods. Its not all done in 20 mins, thats why theres methods
This is not all just by chance, or seat of pants That doesnt fly in the corporate world of investing millions into designs. We are at the hobbyist level so you improvise and build a database
You have your way of doing things, thats fine
I stand by my experiences and what Ive seen in the engineering side. If my askin upsets anyone , then simply ignore it.
We can agree to disagree and be civil still
I would still enjoy seeing people quantify products esp on the wide variety of Jeep builds. Youtube sensations come from these representations people love to see
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CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
I have not driven. a “new off the lot” TJ to fairly answer that. I can however tell you drum brakes Im not a fan of
From my experiemce on OTHER performance cars…. Once people swap parts, suspensions, adding weight, more rubber, more instability, power adders, etc its a necessity to upgrade braking systems. Thats the approach I see it from.
A factory system was designed to stop the factory vehicle. Fair statement?? Im just a racing guy lookin to improve the weak braking system on mine, best I can but also best options
Reviews help, but ya never know the experience of the person giving it
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
You didn't answer the question. From a design standpoint, how is the factory TJ braking system deficient?
To help guide you, what would you change to make it perform more to your liking?
FYI - there’s nobody on the forum, maybe more than anyone period, who has done more of those things to the TJ platform than MrBlaine.
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
I respect that, of course
Doesnt mean I will be an echo chamber and not ask to see results if there is any. Theres a niche to be filled in all hobbies, perhaps one was just revealed…..
I hope you apply the same level of rigor in every decision you make for your jeep. Including suspension, shocks, lighting, armor and every other bolt on upgrade that you intend to buy.
And I hope you will share your findings here with all of us. The answers you find will surprise you.,
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
It started as a “ cant pass this up” cash deal
I had no use for it and already have too many toys. However my youngest is 9 and I figured why not just grab it, and rebuild it ground up for when hes 16. So that doesnt mean I wont play with it.
New hardtop here, already HVLP Rustoleum painted it this weekend and that is ready. New ragtop came on it
So thats the goal, with some suspension and brake upgrades and maybe a turbo. How far will I go?? That comes with research and Im still knee deep in it.
I have packages showing up daily for weeks
I have car addictions and love modifying for performance. Interior & stereo is all here, now I need a new lift and suspension and brakes
Still trying to figure out those
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My LJ on 245/75-16s and OEM brake pads was scary to stop at speed and/or down mountain passes. The EBC yellows made those braking situations tolerable. BMB pads in the same situations were confidence inspiring.
If this information is THAT important to you, sounds like you should pony up the cash and perform the testing yourself. It's obvious that no matter the results, you're going to question the method by which those results were obtained, and you're no farther ahead. You've already dismissed Mr.Blaine's testing, and I'd be willing to bet there isn't anyone who cares more to get it right than him. If you're not willing to do that...what are we even discussing. The brakes are better or they are not...but a LOT of people here say they are better than factory. That counts for something whether you think so or not.
CreepinDeth
TJ Addict
Of course it does
You guys are getting quite defensive and aggressively accusatory over someone just makin inquiries for field performance tests caught on a video recording
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