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You come and ask this question every time there is a discussion on brakes. You never explain why it matters, if you have run them, if you have had problems, and what problems you have had because they are made elsewhere.

If you have ever with worked with any overseas factory in any industry, you will know that folks can make outstandingly good stuff if you ask them to make it and pay what it costs to make said item. You see crap because people getting stuff made overseas ask for crap. Blaine is NOT one of those people. He has explained many times over about the difficulties of finding a maker here who would do what he wants at the cost point he wants. The pads Blaine sells are are outstanding quality at a very good price point for the customer. What more do you want?

It is clear that you want to hide behind a screen name and be a troll. So . .who are you, and what problem do you have with Blaine?

I am sorry you are misunderstanding me. I have no problems. The reason I ask who makes them is because it seams to be a secant. No one will say or no one knows.
 
I am sorry you are misunderstanding me. I have no problems. The reason I ask who makes them is because it seams to be a secant. No one will say or no one knows.

I repeat my question - why does this information matter?
 
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No way that stock TJ with 35s for example have any chance passing such a thing.
And that is what makes my life more difficult than it should be. Like yours on 31's, I've driven them and they were scary. Drive an identical one with 37's and it will lock them up in a heartbeat using the exact same parts. So, when folks ask about brakes, the guy with 31's gets overruled as an idiot by the guy with 37's without ever considering that both are correct.
 
I wish we had a system like that here, and you are right, most built jeeps won't pass.
I'd rather not. We have enough .gov interference in our lives, any thing that invites more can never be good.
Some of the TJs I have driven were outright scary .. I test drove a bunch before I bought mine and MANY people just shrug and say "it's a jeep, that's how they are".
I know but there has to be another way.
 
I repeat my question - why does this information matter?

They aren't on my list so I must be on theirs. Anyway, here is the question.
I am sorry you are misunderstanding me. I have no problems. The reason I ask who makes them is because it seams to be a secant. No one will say or no one knows.
Some of it is a trade secret, most is not. Pads are made in China, Korea, rotors are China, Taiwan, hardware is US, overseas, too hard to track. Calipers are US reman, mostly new China and Korea, a lot of them have Mopar pistons in them and US sourced reman or builder parts and I neither care nor want to dig into the countries of origin for because as long as it works, that is all that matters. Knuckles are 99.99% US only because someone may have tossed a Chinese rotor or several in the iron smelter so while everything else is 100% US made, cast, and machined, I have no way to verify the provenance of the iron alloy we use.
 
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And that is what makes my life more difficult than it should be. Like yours on 31's, I've driven them and they were scary. Drive an identical one with 37's and it will lock them up in a heartbeat using the exact same parts. So, when folks ask about brakes, the guy with 31's gets overruled as an idiot by the guy with 37's without ever considering that both are correct.

If I get it right, the only components that impact the braking are:
Booster, master cylinder, proportioning valve, hard and flex lines, calipers, pads and rotors.
When I just bought my TJ, the brakes were complete crap. Fluid was completely black.
At my first attempt to get the brakes working, I replaced bunch of lines in the front, the master cylinder and all the calipers, all the fluid (bled the master cylinder on the bench properly), rotors and pads. I do see that the fluid starts to get some black garbage pieces into it and seems darker than it was a year ago when I replaced it.
I do have 3 old rubber hoses, that are like 20+ years old. Do you think that they are deteriorating, and or getting air/humidity into lines, by this impacting braking quality?
I want to get it right, BEFORE I install BMB pads, because healing bad braking system with better pads will just hide the actual problem.
Question that I am asking myself, why would my rig, all OEM, stop any worse than others? I don't believe in curses, BTW.
 
I know of areas, but I have to drive there first with un-broken in break pads.
That's fine. Just don't sit at a stop with the pads clamped on the rotor. If you have an extended stop put the vehicle in neutral, use the parking brake and keep your foot off the pedal.
 
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Unlike a lot of other cases of government overreach, I do support stricter brakes regulations. It is an objective criteria that vehicle that is supposed to have stopping power enough for its weight. No manufacturer manufactures car that does not meet the basic stopping power criteria. The mods are what causes the vehicle to go out of spec. It is legit to expect that if you do mods, still make sure that sure that your mods do not make the vehicle unsafe for others. If you want to kill yourself with whatever ways, it does not mean that safety of others can be jeopardized.
It is not the like the EPA bullshit with banning engine swaps or making life too hard for everybody.

You’re welcome to move to Australia, if they’ll have you. Hard to believe you’re from TX and want so much govt intrusion.
 
You’re welcome to move to Australia, if they’ll have you. Hard to believe you’re from TX and want so much govt intrusion.

Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach. Brake inspection already exists, it is just does not test anything really.
 
Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach. Brake inspection already exists, it is just does not test anything really.

Define 'proper inspection', then do it again expecting government agencies to understand it.
 
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Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach.
the problem with that is ...
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Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach. Brake inspection already exists, it is just does not test anything really.

I thought Texas was ending inspections?
 
Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach. Brake inspection already exists, it is just does not test anything really.

Yes and no. Once you open that door then you get them checking the brakes and that will only be allowed if you have stock size tires, and that will turn into denial of right to modify along with the denial of right to repair.

I bought my diesel tow rig NEW because it didn't have to be smogged. 3 years in, they grandfathered my rig into the smog system checks and then a couple of years after that they added the opacity test to check particulates in the air from the exhaust. It consists of the smog tech sitting in the seat, romping the throttle once and then watching the exhaust against a light color background to check the particulate count. It is a fully 100% subjective test with 0 scientific basis for pass/fail and you want to invite more of that into our life? That's a hard pass for me.
 
If I get it right, the only components that impact the braking are:
Booster, master cylinder, proportioning valve, hard and flex lines, calipers, pads and rotors.
When I just bought my TJ, the brakes were complete crap. Fluid was completely black.
At my first attempt to get the brakes working, I replaced bunch of lines in the front, the master cylinder and all the calipers, all the fluid (bled the master cylinder on the bench properly), rotors and pads. I do see that the fluid starts to get some black garbage pieces into it and seems darker than it was a year ago when I replaced it.
I do have 3 old rubber hoses, that are like 20+ years old. Do you think that they are deteriorating, and or getting air/humidity into lines, by this impacting braking quality?
I want to get it right, BEFORE I install BMB pads, because healing bad braking system with better pads will just hide the actual problem.
Question that I am asking myself, why would my rig, all OEM, stop any worse than others? I don't believe in curses, BTW.

It wouldn't hurt to replace the flex hoses. Other than that, sounds like you have the rest of it squared away. The only questionable thing I see is not knowing how you bench bled the master.
 
Dude, seriously, adding a proper inspection of brakes into annual safety inspection is not a government overreach. Brake inspection already exists, it is just does not test anything really.

That would just be the beginning. That’s how government works. I used to work for them. Dreaming up bs things for us to regulate was like second nature to keep justifying increasing the budget.
 
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Another thing that chapped my hide recently related to brakes was our swap to Progressive auto insurance. They offered to send us little boxes you plug into your OBD2 reader to monitor driving in order to get a lower rate. I thought, ”save every penny, right?” We’re all good drivers (5 drivers in household). Well, it turns out if you brake hard it interprets that as a dangerous event. Hence, you’re a dangerous driver. The little box beeps at you every time you do that. Then it reflects on your score and they adjust your premium. Of course, I don’t want to ride my brakes and slow down really gradually to avoid the beep and mess up my BMB pads.

In the end I decided not to waste my time trying to call them to explain the importance of firm braking for safety and just settled for getting the lowest score in the household. 🙄 I’ll be leaving Progressive when I shop insurance again next year.
 
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Another thing that chapped my hide recently related to brakes was our swap to Progressive auto insurance. They offered to send us little boxes you plug into your OBD2 reader to monitor driving in order to get a lower rate. I thought, ”save every penny, right?” We’re all good drivers (5 drivers in household). Well, it turns out if you brake hard it interprets that as a dangerous event. Hence, you’re a dangerous driver. The little box beeps at you every time you do that. Then it reflects on your score and they adjust your premium. Of course, I don’t want to ride my brakes and slow down really gradually to avoid the beep and mess up my BMB pads.

In the end I decided not to waste my time trying to call them to explain the importance of firm braking for safety and just settled for getting the lowest score in the household. 🙄 I’ll be leaving Progressive when I shop insurance again next year.

There is so much wrong there with most of that is it best I just bite my tongue. My only comment is they can take those little boxes and shove all of them right up their asses.
 
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Another thing that chapped my hide recently related to brakes was our swap to Progressive auto insurance. They offered to send us little boxes you plug into your OBD2 reader to monitor driving in order to get a lower rate. I thought, ”save every penny, right?” We’re all good drivers (5 drivers in household). Well, it turns out if you brake hard it interprets that as a dangerous event. Hence, you’re a dangerous driver. The little box beeps at you every time you do that. Then it reflects on your score and they adjust your premium. Of course, I don’t want to ride my brakes and slow down really gradually to avoid the beep and mess up my BMB pads.

In the end I decided not to waste my time trying to call them to explain the importance of firm braking for safety and just settled for getting the lowest score in the household. 🙄 I’ll be leaving Progressive when I shop insurance again next year.

NEVER EVER put anything into your vehicle that claims to save you $$$. (I got bad news at the end)

Learn from the early 2000s unConstitutional scam of using FICO scoring to assess “driver quality”. They instead used this scam to raise rates on everyone with poor credit

If they WANT something, its NEVER to benefit you, its to benefit THEIR RATE INCREASES

Now for the “Bad news”.
All your iphones and Android phones are 24/7 365 spying and when connected to your Apple Carplay and Android Auto (even with GPS disabled on tbe phone), are taking ALL driving habit info derived , and the #1 purchasers of rhis metadata is……INSURANCE COMPANIES

Dont use these wireless spying sold under the facade of convenience. Even if you connect to an OEM bluetooth, with Telematics….that too is spying and selling your driving habits

This is why they made all new vehicles far more unique and complicated to bypass with aftermarket units. Thanks to the Patriot Acts annihalation of the 4th Amendment, all bets are off.

Mitigate these exposures best you can
Turn your spying devices off, and place in RFID blocker bags. Sounds crazy, most wont do it….

Americans are addicted to convenience and sacrifice their privacy for it
 
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