Daily Driver Brake Recommendations

[Boboddy]

What is your tire size? What was my answer when you asked me why they didn't respond the way they should?

Tires are 31s currently. You didn’t provide an answer because I didn’t ask a question.

I followed the break in procedures provided with the product and figured that was what I am supposed to do to make them work.

If you would like to provide additional information here or in a PM that would be appreciated.

 

[mvigo]

It started as a “ cant pass this up” cash deal

I had no use for it and already have too many toys. However my youngest is 9 and I figured why not just grab it, and rebuild it ground up for when hes 16. So that doesnt mean I wont play with it.

New hardtop here, already HVLP Rustoleum painted it this weekend and that is ready. New ragtop came on it

So thats the goal, with some suspension and brake upgrades and maybe a turbo. How far will I go?? That comes with research and Im still knee deep in it.

I have packages showing up daily for weeks
I have car addictions and love modifying for performance. Interior & stereo is all here, now I need a new lift and suspension and brakes

Still trying to figure out those

@CreepinDeth, enjoy your build, with the said experience you have with other builds, the TJ platform should be easy. I would love to see you start a build thread.

One suggestion I have as you undertake your research to decide how you want to build your Jeep, would be to pay particular attention to @mrblaine thought processes. I have yet to find a person as maniacally focused, honest and methodical as he is with the TJ platform, and that goes well beyond brakes. I had years to think about how I would build mine, and, as I did my research, it became crystal clear to me to pay attention to him. I am glad I did as my TJ is a pure joy to drive, both on the road and trail. After all these years, I will happily admit that I am a Blaine disciple. I have said it before and I will say it again, he is to our TJ's what Clessie Cummins is to the diesel engine or Phil Remington to the Shelby Cobra...

 

[Jerry Bransford]

Tires are 31s currently. You didn’t provide an answer because I didn’t ask a question.

I followed the break in procedures provided with the product and figured that was what I am supposed to do to make them work.

If you would like to provide additional information here or in a PM that would be appreciated.

During your break-in did you get the brakes hot enough so you could smell the heat? If not you weren't aggressive enough and another break-in is in order.

 

[CreepinDeth]

@CreepinDeth, enjoy your build, with the said experience you have with other builds, the TJ platform should be easy. I would love to see you start a build thread.

I will once I get my total interior and stereo completed. I appreciate the kind words

Might be this weekend, or next. I already gutted it, Rustoleum pro seal coated it, sound deadener all of it, and fresh carpet with seats installed with new covers.

Now I gotta wire the whole stereo system, and modify areas. New fenders came, new LED everything, new rims and tires on it

Im still stuck in limbo on what lift suspension, shocks, steering, and brake system I will choose. That is phase 2

Phase 3 will be hot rodding the engine. Im thinkin a turbo system on the 4.0L and if I blow the motor, I will throw a new one in

 

[mrblaine]

and brake system I will choose. That is phase 2

When you get there, I have a deal for you that should appeal wholly to your sensibilities. After the build, document the current level of stopping in some meaningful manner that you believe will satisfy for others the questions you want answers to. Let me know a few facts about the build and in exchange for the next round of documentation, I will send you every brake part we have that will fit your new build. I do not control what folks say about my stuff and I will not even begin to ask for anything but 100% honesty in all that you do and report. I don't care if it is pads and calipers, or a big brake kit, just tell me how it is built, tire size and I'll get you everything you need to stop safely fully free of charge. You just have to handle your end in a timely manner.

If you aren't impressed when you get done, I'll send out shipping labels and you can send it all back on my dime.

The return is also fully applicable to the guy above who isn't impressed and won't do much except say that. I can fix it if I know about it, I can't do shit if I don't.

 

[P man]

When you get there, I have a deal for you that should appeal wholly to your sensibilities. After the build, document the current level of stopping in some meaningful manner that you believe will satisfy for others the questions you want answers to. Let me know a few facts about the build and in exchange for the next round of documentation, I will send you every brake part we have that will fit your new build. I do not control what folks say about my stuff and I will not even begin to ask for anything but 100% honesty in all that you do and report. I don't care if it is pads and calipers, or a big brake kit, just tell me how it is built, tire size and I'll get you everything you need to stop safely fully free of charge. You just have to handle your end in a timely manner.

If you aren't impressed when you get done, I'll send out shipping labels and you can send it all back on my dime.

The return is also fully applicable to the guy above who isn't impressed and won't do much except say that. I can fix it if I know about it, I can't do shit if I don't.

I'm trying to think of another vendor who would do that...

 

[mrblaine]

Tires are 31s currently. You didn’t provide an answer because I didn’t ask a question.

You should ask. If you didn't get what you paid for, that needs to be fixed.

I followed the break in procedures provided with the product and figured that was what I am supposed to do to make them work.

I have ridden with at least a 100 folks and watched them do the break in. They never do it correctly.

If you would like to provide additional information here or in a PM that would be appreciated.

Go do the break in again. Do back to back stops until they get into hot fade. Hot fade is where they stop working. Be safe. Then drive around and cool them down as much as you can with air blowing over the rotors. When they are cool, do the stops to hot fade again. I don't care how many that takes, get them into hot fade and remember, you are pushing on the pedal hard enough that you are trying to lock them up at each stop. Don't lock them up but be very enthusiastic in pedal use.

Do that series twice and let us know what happens. These are not really a product for the casual user, they solve a problem and they do it very well. If you are one who starts stopping half a block away from a stop going 20 mph, they are NOT going to make you happy. If you need lots of stopping ability because you're on too big of a tire or too much weight, then they will work very well.

 

[CreepinDeth]

When you get there, I have a deal for you that should appeal wholly to your sensibilities. After the build, document the current level of stopping in some meaningful manner that you believe will satisfy for others the questions you want answers to. Let me know a few facts about the build and in exchange for the next round of documentation, I will send you every brake part we have that will fit your new build. I do not control what folks say about my stuff and I will not even begin to ask for anything but 100% honesty in all that you do and report. I don't care if it is pads and calipers, or a big brake kit, just tell me how it is built, tire size and I'll get you everything you need to stop safely fully free of charge. You just have to handle your end in a timely manner.

If you aren't impressed when you get done, I'll send out shipping labels and you can send it all back on my dime.

The return is also fully applicable to the guy above who isn't impressed and won't do much except say that. I can fix it if I know about it, I can't do shit if I don't.

Sounds like a fair offer
I will reach out when I get there.

One thing I did need to look into, is SS brake lines. I may put the factory tires on to gauge performance before and after rim/tire swaps also

Wintertime is when hobby car season and motorcycle season ends and I go heavy into modding and my gun hobby. Its new NOW so Im just tearin into it heavy.

Whats your thoughts on a rear disc conversion?? Besides maintenance, do you feel it is worth it?? I know I want a bigger brake kit up front or Hydroboost may be on the docket

Im at a disadvantage as I dont know anything of what performance upgrades are even available yet

 

[mrblaine]

Sounds like a fair offer
I will reach out when I get there.

One thing I did need to look into, is SS brake lines. I may put the factory tires on to gauge performance before and after rim/tire swaps also

No need for SS lines. The only folks who tout an improvement are the folks selling lines. The OEM flex hoses and a few other extended versions are rated for the same pressures and have to be. They swell exactly the same amount under the same pressures and I've tested that higher than most folks can with a 2800 psi set up out of the vacuum set up in my wife's TJ.

That said, we use a lot of SS lines but only due to being able to get them in the lengths we need and no other reason. They are a poor line for an offroad vehicle in the stock locations. The extra travel quite often kinks the line, they don't handle vibration very well and if you use them, you need to keep an eye on them. We do brake installs often, fully 50% of the SS lines that come in are damaged in some way enough to need replacement. If I could find a fast custom length OEM style line that was modular, that is all I would ever use.

Wintertime is when hobby car season and motorcycle season ends and I go heavy into modding and my gun hobby. Its new NOW so Im just tearin into it heavy.

Whats your thoughts on a rear disc conversion?? Besides maintenance, do you feel it is worth it?? I know I want a bigger brake kit up front or Hydroboost may be on the docket

Ignore my wisdom on HB at your own peril. It will not work long term with the stock calipers and big tires. The knuckles can NOT handle the forces. Rear disc conversions are worth it only from a maintenance standpoint. I hate working on drum brakes so I started doing rear disc conversions in 2000 on the TJ rear axles.

Im at a disadvantage as I dont know anything of what performance upgrades are even available yet

All you have to do is ask.

 

[JasterMereel42]

I'm thinking about getting the BMB pads. I've read the break in process and understand all the comments in this thread about the break in process. I live in the middle of a city so I can't think of any areas right now that I can go to that have an empty enough area where I can get up to the proper speeds to break them in. I know of areas, but I have to drive there first with un-broken in break pads.

 

[CreepinDeth]

Ok, so Hydroboost is out
I will not do a brake swap on the rear if theres no real performance gain. There wont be enough miles put on it for 6 more years to justify it

I typically go SS because of the salt on the roads, and longterm reliability. However, maybe I need to get it on a lift at my brothers shop and look before I think too far ahead

 

[jjvw]

I'm thinking about getting the BMB pads. I've read the break in process and understand all the comments in this thread about the break in process. I live in the middle of a city so I can't think of any areas right now that I can go to that have an empty enough area where I can get up to the proper speeds to break them in. I know of areas, but I have to drive there first with un-broken in break pads.

If I can break in Blaine's brakes in Denver, so can you. And there is nothing to be concerned about getting to where you can do it. All that will do is give you a good comparison for how much they change after the break in.

 

[5632]

Who is the manufacture of Black Magic brake pads? I am not asking who the selling person is. We do know they are not American.

 

[psrivats]

Who is the manufacture of Black Magic brake pads? I am not asking who the selling person is. We do know they are not American.

You come and ask this question every time there is a discussion on brakes. You never explain why it matters, if you have run them, if you have had problems, and what problems you have had because they are made elsewhere.

If you have ever with worked with any overseas factory in any industry, you will know that folks can make outstandingly good stuff if you ask them to make it and pay what it costs to make said item. You see crap because people getting stuff made overseas ask for crap. Blaine is NOT one of those people. He has explained many times over about the difficulties of finding a maker here who would do what he wants at the cost point he wants. The pads Blaine sells are are outstanding quality at a very good price point for the customer. What more do you want?

It is clear that you want to hide behind a screen name and be a troll. So . .who are you, and what problem do you have with Blaine?

 

[Boboddy]

You should ask. If you didn't get what you paid for, that needs to be fixed.

I have ridden with at least a 100 folks and watched them do the break in. They never do it correctly.

Go do the break in again. Do back to back stops until they get into hot fade. Hot fade is where they stop working. Be safe. Then drive around and cool them down as much as you can with air blowing over the rotors. When they are cool, do the stops to hot fade again. I don't care how many that takes, get them into hot fade and remember, you are pushing on the pedal hard enough that you are trying to lock them up at each stop. Don't lock them up but be very enthusiastic in pedal use.

Do that series twice and let us know what happens. These are not really a product for the casual user, they solve a problem and they do it very well. If you are one who starts stopping half a block away from a stop going 20 mph, they are NOT going to make you happy. If you need lots of stopping ability because you're on too big of a tire or too much weight, then they will work very well.

Thanks for the response Blaine. I’ll try a more aggressive break in. I never reached out because I figured there wasn’t much wrong with the product it just wasn’t for me.

That’s what I was trying to say before the peanut gallery jumped in. They’ve worked just fine at stopping my TJ.

 

[TexasTJ2004]

Rear disc conversions are worth it only from a maintenance standpoint. I hate working on drum brakes so I started doing rear disc conversions in 2000 on the TJ rear axles.

Here is US there is no practice of running brake measurements each annual safety inspection. In some other countries (I lived in one like this), there is such a practice. Every year, you go to safety inspection, tires inside rollers, and then they measure your brakes. Each wheel, give you a sheet. If there is misbalance, they fail your inspection. If there is not enough stopping power, they fail your inspection. Passing this inspection with drums, either you don't pass, like it happen to me one time (too much misbalance between them or they are too weak because out of adjustment), or you pass but you see that braking power is not the same on each drum, but still within limits. With 4 wheel disks, you rarely see any misbalance between sides, usually they are identical. Failing the brake inspection with 4 wheel disks was only if something is completely broken.
I am 99% sure that most of the folks who slap oversize tires w/o any brake upgrades, would fail such an inspection. No way that stock TJ with 35s for example have any chance passing such a thing.

 

[psrivats]

Here is US there is no practice of running brake measurements each annual safety inspection. In some other countries (I lived in one like this), there is such a practice. Every year, you go to safety inspection, tires inside rollers, and then they measure your brakes. Each wheel, give you a sheet. If there is misbalance, they fail your inspection. If there is not enough stopping power, they fail your inspection. Passing this inspection with drums, either you don't pass, like it happen to me one time (too much misbalance between them or they are too weak because out of adjustment), or you pass but you see that braking power is not the same on each drum, but still within limits. With 4 wheel disks, you rarely see any misbalance between sides, usually they are identical. Failing the brake inspection with 4 wheel disks was only if something is completely broken.
I am 99% sure that most of the folks who slap oversize tires w/o any brake upgrades, would fail such an inspection. No way that stock TJ with 35s for example have any chance passing such a thing.

I wish we had a system like that here, and you are right, most built jeeps won't pass.

Some of the TJs I have driven were outright scary .. I test drove a bunch before I bought mine and MANY people just shrug and say "it's a jeep, that's how they are".

 

[Mike_H]

I wish we had a system like that here, and you are right, most built jeeps won't pass.

Some of the TJs I have driven were outright scary .. I test drove a bunch before I bought mine and MANY people just shrug and say "it's a jeep, that's how they are".

Careful what you wish for, friend. I’d be willing to wager that a country, state, or province that had that type of testing also had strict guidelines about lift height, tire size and and fun stuff that we do to our Jeeps. Kinda of a double edged sword.

Not saying I don’t agree with some sort of safety measure inspection, but it needs to be very carefully thought out, and I really don’t trust a government to do it.

 

[psrivats]

Careful what you wish for, friend. I’d be willing to wager that a country, state, or province that had that type of testing also had strict guidelines about lift height, tire size and and fun stuff that we do to our Jeeps. Kinda of a double edged sword.

Not saying I don’t agree with some sort of safety measure inspection, but it needs to be very carefully thought out, and I really don’t trust a government to do it.

Very good point, and I agree.

 

[TexasTJ2004]

Careful what you wish for, friend. I’d be willing to wager that a country, state, or province that had that type of testing also had strict guidelines about lift height, tire size and and fun stuff that we do to our Jeeps. Kinda of a double edged sword.

Not saying I don’t agree with some sort of safety measure inspection, but it needs to be very carefully thought out, and I really don’t trust a government to do it.

Unlike a lot of other cases of government overreach, I do support stricter brakes regulations. It is an objective criteria that vehicle that is supposed to have stopping power enough for its weight. No manufacturer manufactures car that does not meet the basic stopping power criteria. The mods are what causes the vehicle to go out of spec. It is legit to expect that if you do mods, still make sure that sure that your mods do not make the vehicle unsafe for others. If you want to kill yourself with whatever ways, it does not mean that safety of others can be jeopardized.
It is not the like the EPA bullshit with banning engine swaps or making life too hard for everybody.