The other giant glaring flaw in these discussions is that massive amount of willful ignorance and saying anything to support one's adopted position while ignoring anything that should be the epiphany to start down the path to understanding.We all either learn, or decide to remain ignorant. If you looked any of our older threads, you'll see one of two things. Either we learned and evolved, or we didn't. One is obviously better than the other!
If you (collective) are so willfully ignorant that you can't recognize the impact my statement of not a single time being asked what the spring rate is for the 100's of shock tunes I've paid for is, then you just refuse to learn anything of value and that is really fucking sad.