I was asking a legitimate question, Its somewhat legal here in some locations and I was curious if it was semi legalized there...I'm not into that PC bullshit mate, but we don't need to throw shit at each other either.
Has anyone tried OX lockers?
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It is somewhat tolerated but regretfully the UK is not as progressive as the rest of Western Europe where it is highly tolerated. Contrary to popular opinion, it is not even legal in the Netherlands. They just unofficially turn a blind eye to it. They do that in Amsterdam because of tourism and in the rest of the Netherlands people don't give a shit what you do as long as you don't bother them.
I've found that the single best way to combat bullshit is just to start throwing back larger amounts.I'm not into that PC bullshit mate, but we don't need to throw shit at each other either.
This is a dumb argument. You don't leave your rig in the garage because you might get a flat tire. You don't avoid going offroad because you might break something. We don't ever want to, but the potential for doing so increases higher and faster the more we go. If 100% reliability is the only way you will walk out the door in the morning, you'll spend the rest of your days in the house. That isn't to say that there is a higher level of failure with the other options because that isn't true. Just don't pick out something like "adding complexity" or "minimizing points of failure" as key points in a discussion where such things are of far lesser importance than they are being made out to be.
The only person so far with a legitimate reason for picking the OX locker is the guy who likes levers. Note he didn't say they worked better, were more reliable, or anything other than "I like levers" and that is fully legit.
I might get air lockers and put something like this in the Jeep to activate them. Air lines or cables running all over, still the same idea and you get a nice mechanical lever like thing too.
@Blaine, dont "straw man" this argument, my statement of FACT is simple...
A system or assembly that has less dependent components , less complexity, is therefore less prone to failure.
And to be ultra clear, ill repeat what i said at the start of the thread... all 3 lockers discussed in this thread are good, proven, and reliable. So holster your fucking pistols.
But dont try to argue that a simple cable mechansim is equal to an electrical/pneumatic setup.
If your going to point out crimps and springs... then apply that same review to pnuematic and electrical assemblies.
A system or assembly that has less dependent components , less complexity, is therefore less prone to failure.
And to be ultra clear, ill repeat what i said at the start of the thread... all 3 lockers discussed in this thread are good, proven, and reliable. So holster your fucking pistols.
But dont try to argue that a simple cable mechansim is equal to an electrical/pneumatic setup.
If your going to point out crimps and springs... then apply that same review to pnuematic and electrical assemblies.
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You're right, should have said something like "a control that might be in a locomotive"
I think this is the main reason for these failure stories. Not locker related directly, but the original dealer that installed the trailer wiring harness on my red LJ strung the harness along the frame, down to the track bar, and back up to the rear crossmember. This caused the wires to melt on the exhaust and short and blow fuses.
You can draw two conclusions from this, either:
1) Aftermarket wiring causes issues and should be avoided since it's a point of failure. Or
2) The wiring was installed by an idiot and could have been wired differently to reduce chances of failure.
I'll bet he would like this dashboard:
or maybe this one:
or my personal favorite, the dashboard on Uncle Louie's '47 Cadillac, which is now in a San Diego museum (Uncle Louie is (was) Louie Mattar, a former girlfriend's uncle - not my own - often fondly referred to by the family as Screwy Louie.)
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As someone who has my fair share of aftermarket wiring through my firewall and behind the dash, I wouldn't want to run thicker air hoses.
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Brianj5600
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What you and several in this thread don't understand is that Blaine does this for a living and is well known for only turning out Jeeps that work without problems. The rest of us here are hobbiests, where Jeeps are concerned, and don't have near the experience in what works well, what kinda-sorta works most of the time, and what is prone to giving problems. We get an idea in our brain due to advertisements we read and hear from our friend's friend who swears something is awesome so that's what sounds cool and we want to go with it... but having no real experience with which to base that decision on... just basing it on what has been read, heard, or in theory it 'seems like a good idea'.
I don't always like how Blaine says something, he doesn't suffer fools gladly, and I have been royally chewed out several times by him for shit I did or did not do that I should or should not have done and left his location still steaming, but I've yet to be right in those situations and I realized it at the time once it was pointed out. Not to mention being embarrassed once my error was pointed out. Sometimes rather vociferously lol.
He does fucking beautiful work. He fixes stuff that no one else could figure out. He fixes bad installs done by other shops. His designs are often, to use an engineering term, elegant. He has designed a lot of stuff we use on our Jeeps without realizing it. Savvy's products were designed by him, dual-rate swayabars and the Safety Thimble too to name just a few. He builds Jeeps that work for what the customer wants to do with it. He does not do cookie-cutter builds, he only builds once he and the owner and figured out what exactly is needed and what will work. The last thing he'll do is to just build it the way he wants to. But neither will he use a part the customer wants to use if it won't do what he expects or if it will reduce the reliability or not work as well as another way will.
One of Blaine's builds made the cover of Crawl Magazine. And that Jeep just flat works, I was fortunate to have been on the trail with it one weekend.
So if Blaine's style of response pisses some off, sobeit. He does know what he's talking about and he is speaking from many years of experience of doing it for a living. 5-7 days a week in his case. That's where you learn what works and what is, to use one of Blaine's more popular words, pure "bullshit".
Brianj5600
TJ Expert
One last comment where Blaine is concerned. I am friends with a woman who loves Jeeping. She is not afraid to do trails that would scare the shit out of 99% of us. She was having a long-term problem with her Jeep, one that caused misfires and a Check Engine light only when going up or down a long mountain highway with a big change in elevation. Several shops charged her big $$$ and just threw parts at it but they never fixed the problem.
I kept advising her to take her Jeep to Blaine so it could finally be fixed. She was scared to death of Blaine based on what those shops and some friends told her... those being people who had never actually met him in person. I was wheeling with her over a weekend last month and sat and talked with her for close to an hour and finally convinced her to go to Blaine. She was scared to death. In fact I was supposed to go with her to introduce them so she'd feel better about it. I ended up not being able to go for work reasons. He fixed the problem in an hour or two and it didn't require replacing any parts.
I texted her right after she came back from Blaine's to see how it went since I had to talk her into going to see him... this is what she texted back. And if anyone thinks this is BS, this is a screenshot of that conversation. So it just goes to show that what comes across on the screen is not usually what is truth in reality.
I kept advising her to take her Jeep to Blaine so it could finally be fixed. She was scared to death of Blaine based on what those shops and some friends told her... those being people who had never actually met him in person. I was wheeling with her over a weekend last month and sat and talked with her for close to an hour and finally convinced her to go to Blaine. She was scared to death. In fact I was supposed to go with her to introduce them so she'd feel better about it. I ended up not being able to go for work reasons. He fixed the problem in an hour or two and it didn't require replacing any parts.
I texted her right after she came back from Blaine's to see how it went since I had to talk her into going to see him... this is what she texted back. And if anyone thinks this is BS, this is a screenshot of that conversation. So it just goes to show that what comes across on the screen is not usually what is truth in reality.
Your constant Jerry bashing gets old. Take a Xanax every once in a while.
Anyway, I have no personal experience with ox lockers. I do remember one guy constantly screwing around with a cable in the parking lot of Rausch Creek before. I would prefer any sort of selectable over a cable actuated one.
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