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I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that thing is probably pretty beat up in person, hence the cheap asking price. I'd also be willing to bet he cut a lot of corners on the build, and there may be some serious rust as well. I'm just saying, when I see a price like that without tons of high resolution photos, I'm always skeptical.

Not to mention that 9 out of 10 of them I see on Facebook always seem like they're built poorly.
 
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I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that thing is probably pretty beat up in person, hence the cheap asking price. I'd also be willing to bet he cut a lot of corners on the build, and there may be some serious rust as well. I'm just saying, when I see a price like that without tons of high resolution photos, I'm always skeptical.

Not to mention that 9 out of 10 of them I see on Facebook always seem like they're built poorly.

True... doesn't make me not want a second tj I can't afford LOL


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One other important thing to look for ... Make sure it has at least 3.73 gears (which are very common) or you will be really unhappy.

The one in your link is only 3.07 and you will hate it with any tires taller than 29"


Thank you for that, I totally would have missed that and I even looked up the VIN!
 
1) It is my understanding that a Dana 35 is a pretty stout axle by itself. It's just, on all the other Jeep forums, the Dana 35 is trash talked because it seems that people throw on 33" and 35" tires and then expect to have absolutely no problem when they assault a large obstacle on the trail and mash the skinny pedal.

That being said though, if you want to get the "most Jeep that you possibly can get", and don't want to possibly regret "settling", then get a Rubicon, also because it comes with 4.11 gears in the axles, and bragging rights.

2) I wish I had a soft top, because it's pretty damn hot here in Texas and I wish I could take the top off before / after work. BUT, if I had to choose one top and stick with it, it'd be the hard top. As quiet, as dry, and as comfortable as a TJ can get.

Also, it's the EXACT same argument when it comes to half doors / full doors. Depends on if you want more comfort, or ease of receiving the open air feeling.

Also x2, no matter how much I have tried, it's just too risky to try and take the hard top off by yourself. No way i'm gonna risk dropping and breaking my $1,000 ceiling. Two people is a must, and you don't always have two strong enough people lying around willing to help you with your obsession of taking your top off every chance the clouds dare to subside. Consider this when you make your decision!

3) It is also my understanding that Rubicon's give you a pretty sweet rig to start off with. Again, 4.11 gears, a beefier and lower range transfer case, you may find one with the factory Moab rims still on there, comes with wider fender flares, by default they come with the larger bucket seats (my 2002 has the smaller seats, and, I can only imagine the larger ones on the 2003+ year TJ's are more comfortable), bragging rights, and at least some sort of factory rock rails.

Have you considered an LJ? Or even an LJ Rubicon?

I certainly love my 2002 TJ X, but when I was on my search for my first car, we passed up on a Rubicon before we found my current X, and I honestly wish I jumped on that Rubicon.

I have considered an LJ but in all the reading I have done I keep hearing transmission issues with the 6 speed. Popping out of gear, not as strong as the 5 speed. Is that a lot to do about nothing? I prefer a manual, they just seem more bombproof and you can limp back in most cases unless the thing explodes. I wasn't sure if the 2004 LJ has a manual transmission option. I shall research that!
 
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I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that thing is probably pretty beat up in person, hence the cheap asking price. I'd also be willing to bet he cut a lot of corners on the build, and there may be some serious rust as well. I'm just saying, when I see a price like that without tons of high resolution photos, I'm always skeptical.

Not to mention that 9 out of 10 of them I see on Facebook always seem like they're built poorly.


Thats the other thing I am finding, scabbed together rigs. I looked at and test drove an '03 sport with 46k on it, it was at a local muscle truck lot. Pictures looked amazing but I get there and the thing was trashed inside. desert jeep its whole life and it was toast. inside looked like it was run over by a heard of cows. Had some small lift that was squirrely as all get out, actually kind of scared me above 40 mph. I haven't driven many jeeps but an 03 has to have more pickup than my old '79 landcruiser, that wrangler was like a dang semi to get going. It's listed at $17,900 and has been on craigslist for months.
 
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Hard top is great if you have a place to store it when removed. I run both tops, wouldn't have it any other way. If I were in the market for a TJ that wasn't a Rubicon, it would have to have the following:
NO RUST
4.0L
3.73 gearing
Hard top
Low miles
Stock preferred, no mods
Rear Dana 44 preferred, but not required
 
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Thats the other thing I am finding, scabbed together rigs. I looked at and test drove an '03 sport with 46k on it, it was at a local muscle truck lot. It's listed at $17,900 and has been on craigslist for months.

And probably will stay on craigslist for several more months at that price in that condition.
 
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Thats the other thing I am finding, scabbed together rigs. I looked at and test drove an '03 sport with 46k on it, it was at a local muscle truck lot. Pictures looked amazing but I get there and the thing was trashed inside. desert jeep its whole life and it was toast. inside looked like it was run over by a heard of cows. Had some small lift that was squirrely as all get out, actually kind of scared me above 40 mph. I haven't driven many jeeps but an 03 has to have more pickup than my old '79 landcruiser, that wrangler was like a dang semi to get going. It's listed at $17,900 and has been on craigslist for months.

I'm not surprised at all. That's what most of the ones for sale are. For most of us it took some time to find a nice, clean TJ. There's so many of them out there that the previous owners beat the snot out of.
 
https://goldcountry.craigslist.org/cto/6192678146.html
Not my best favorite color but might be worth a look if your interested in purchasing from out of your area.


2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon - $17500 (Meadow Vista)


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2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

condition: good
cylinders: 6 cylinders
drive: 4wd
fuel: gas
odometer: 60000
paint color: red
size: mid-size
title status: clean
transmission: manual
type: SUV

33" tires are brand new Goodyear Kevlar, rock hard roll bars all around, front and rear bumper, warn winch, sturdy rear rack, 6 speed manual (Mercedes transmission in the 05, Chrysler inline 6, i.e., before the new engines). Wet ok ole seat covers front and rear (seats are fine underneath). Onboard air.
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Hard top is great if you have a place to store it when removed. I run both tops, wouldn't have it any other way. If I were in the market for a TJ that wasn't a Rubicon, it would have to have the following:
NO RUST
4.0L
3.73 gearing
Hard top
Low miles
Stock preferred, no mods
Rear Dana 44 preferred, but not required

x2 The only thing I would add would be that if there are mods that they are quality parts and not junk that is mostly for looks.
 
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Also, it looks like you are planning this out well and would have cash in hand. I would be looking outside of the PNW and be willing to hope a plane to get a RUST FREE rig for a more reasonable price. A one way plane ticket $ could save you $$$.
 
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The plans for the TJ will be the, top n doors off back roads fun but no hard core wheeling with highway\city driving just as much of the time. Semi-garage queen? :)

1-Does the rear axel dana 35 vs 44 make a huge difference if serious rock crawling is not in the future, probably never go above 32" tires either. I will most likely be keeping to a max 2.5" lift and the tires sticking out as little as I can, so tall and skinny sort of.

2-Soft top vs hard top. I live in the soggy and cold part of the U.S. but have wonderful summers...sometimes so want both tops. What is the cost\hassle difference between buying the one the rig doesnt have. So if I buy a rig with a soft top and buy a hard top later , is that the better way to go or is getting a tJ with a hard top and aftermarket soft top/hardware the cheaper way to go? I am looking for full doors either way.

3-Is a rubicon just the best base to go if one can afford it? I want something capable...just in case I need it but actual wheeling is not something I would ever really do. Rubicons are high priced, and for some reason mostly automatic in the ones for sale around here but if they are really that good of a start at building a capable reliable rig then thats the ticket and I will go that route.
If your plans will be just top n doors off back roads fun but no hardcore wheeling with highway/city driving for most of the time:

1. Nope. Dana 35 will be fine with 32" tires. That's also assuming you don't buy a true locker, which I don't see in your future considering what you're written above. (I've had my Jeep for nearly 20 years running on a Dana 35 with 33" tires and no locker).

2. I can't really answer this one: I bought mine with a hardtop, and it wasn't much of a hassle to get the soft top after. Where I live (Canada), a hardtop in winter is a must...and a softtop in summer is a must.
Prices of used hard tops and soft tops vary quite a bit. I've just recently seen a hard top list for $950 here, and on the same page, someone was selling one for $250. The good thing about a hard top is they don't "wear out" nearly as fast as a soft top.
Soft tops are more difficult to find being sold used where I live...but it's all about timing.

3. The Rubicon is the top end/most expensive you can buy...I'm going to go against the grain here and recommend not getting a Rubicon. It's kind of like saying you only plan to drive in slow residential areas, then asking if a Ferrari is a better car than [insert whatever] here. Ferrari is kinda the better car, but if you don't drive faster than 30mph - you're kind of wasting your money (aside from the looks, etc).
What does the Rubicon get you that any other Jeep doesn't - for what you've driven in the past and plan on driving in the future. Not much really. In fact, that coveted really low transfer case would be less desirable...who wants to drive down the back road at 5mph?

If the price was the same, or close - sure, get the Rubicon. But if it's a $5000 premium for features you're not going to be using...why pay it? You can spend that saved money on other things, like a winch, roof rack, fancy bumpers, 2nd vehicle, 2nd gf, etc.
Rubicons may hold their value better - but that works against you if you're buying it used.

Now - if you think you'll ever change your mind and want a "hardcore wheeling" rig, then get a Rubicon...or get a lower base model and upgrade it over time.

But honestly - a completely open diff dana 35 base model with 32" tires is going to be more than fine on back roads. Throw in a limited slip in there, and you won't have to worry at all. That's if you're honest with yourself about no "hardcore" wheeling/rock crawling.
But really, even a bottom end stock Jeep is going to handle what you plan to throw at it with little issues.

I'd personally recommend the 4.0L/6cylinder engine.
 
Hard top is great if you have a place to store it when removed. I run both tops, wouldn't have it any other way. If I were in the market for a TJ that wasn't a Rubicon, it would have to have the following:
NO RUST
4.0L
3.73 gearing
Hard top
Low miles
Stock preferred, no mods
Rear Dana 44 preferred, but not required

Are you telling him to buy my Jeep? LOL! Except for the mods (which are all solid). Actually, my Jeep would probably be perfect for the OP.
 
Are you telling him to buy my Jeep? LOL! Except for the mods (which are all solid). Actually, my Jeep would probably be perfect for the OP.
Hey, if you're selling it, sure! A buyer could do a lot worse than buying a TJ off of someone who is a WTJ forum member...
 
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If the price was the same, or close - sure, get the Rubicon. But if it's a $5000 premium for features you're not going to be using...why pay it? You can spend that saved money on other things, like a winch, roof rack, fancy bumpers, 2nd vehicle, 2nd gf, etc.
Rubicons may hold their value better - but that works against you if you're buying it used.

2nd gf?? Now that would take some serious money...
 
Welcome! You've made the best choice off the bat. These people on this will help you out as much as possible. I, myself have an 02 Wrangler with the 4.0l, 5 speed, and soft top. I love it and its my convertible in the summer. Not too bad in the winter either with the soft top.

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Welcome! You've made the best choice off the bat. These people on this will help you out as much as possible. I, myself have an 02 Wrangler with the 4.0l, 5 speed, and soft top. I love it and its my convertible in the summer. Not too bad in the winter either with the soft top.
Nice color! And I like those wheels - they are different, but sort of mimic the stock wheels. Nice TJ. Nothing like a TJ with half doors when the top is down...
 
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