School me on safe recovery and rigging

The moral to that story is don't buy shackles made from Chinese horseshoes, or put another way, if you think that Warn's anchor shackles are made the same way, you may not be paying attention.
The real moral is you never really know what the Chinese are using in there materials. In the US cast iron pipe manufactories are required to mark there piping with a date and name of the plant the pipe is made in. Most companies paint this on the exterior of the CI Pipe. Several years ago I was shown pictures from a Chinese CI plant where they had old women with paint rollers making there CI pipe. The problem was that the plant name that they were marking on the pipe with had been closed for several months, and they were using the same date stamping for weeks w/o changing the date. So I personally don't also trust the Chinese.

Many remember this:

"Chinese drywall" refers to an environmental health issue involving defective drywall manufactured in China, imported to the United States and used in residential construction between 2001 and 2009 — affecting "an estimated 100,000 homes in more than 20 states."

In samples of contaminated drywall, laboratory tests will detect off-gassing of volatile chemicals and sulfurous gases — including carbon disulfide, carbonyl sulfide, and hydrogen sulfide. The emissions worsen as temperature and humidity rise, will give off a sulfuric (rotten egg) odor and will cause copper surfaces to turn black and powdery, a chemical process indicative of a hydrogen sulfide reaction and an early indication of contaminated drywall. Copper pipes, electrical wiring, and air conditioner coils are affected, as well as silver jewelry.

Homeowners have reported health symptoms including respiratory problems such as asthma attacks, chronic coughing and difficulty breathing, as well as chronic headaches and sinus issues

So I don't always trust what the Chinese say about there products.

Now maybe as stated before Warn has better quality standards and does a lot of spot checking the process than others. I like others run a WARN winch and have for years.

Not sure that I would guarantee that Smittybuilt shackles are built the same but they also come from china.
 
The real moral is you never really know what the Chinese are using in there materials. In the US cast iron pipe manufactories are required to mark there piping with a date and name of the plant the pipe is made in. Most companies paint this on the exterior of the CI Pipe. Several years ago I was shown pictures from a Chinese CI plant where they had old women with paint rollers making there CI pipe. The problem was that the plant name that they were marking on the pipe with had been closed for several months, and they were using the same date stamping for weeks w/o changing the date. So I personally don't also trust the Chinese.

Many remember this:

"Chinese drywall" refers to an environmental health issue involving defective drywall manufactured in China, imported to the United States and used in residential construction between 2001 and 2009 — affecting "an estimated 100,000 homes in more than 20 states."

In samples of contaminated drywall, laboratory tests will detect off-gassing of volatile chemicals and sulfurous gases — including carbon disulfide, carbonyl sulfide, and hydrogen sulfide. The emissions worsen as temperature and humidity rise, will give off a sulfuric (rotten egg) odor and will cause copper surfaces to turn black and powdery, a chemical process indicative of a hydrogen sulfide reaction and an early indication of contaminated drywall. Copper pipes, electrical wiring, and air conditioner coils are affected, as well as silver jewelry.

Homeowners have reported health symptoms including respiratory problems such as asthma attacks, chronic coughing and difficulty breathing, as well as chronic headaches and sinus issues

So I don't always trust what the Chinese say about there products.

Now maybe as stated before Warn has better quality standards and does a lot of spot checking the process than others. I like others run a WARN winch and have for years.

Not sure that I would guarantee that Smittybuilt shackles are built the same but they also come from china.
You stated that you would not trust your life to a Chinese part. Where are your brake rotors made?
 
In a global market, I think it's much better to trust (or not) a brand name vs a manufacturing location. You can get good products out of China. It's all about the quality standards and definition of what "good" is (from the importer, not the consumer). Don't give them room to make stuff up or change things, and you're on a good path.

Buying from Chinese companies is fraught with peril, not to mention they are most likely copying someone else's design (poorly).
 
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Anyone who's making enough rejects to sell to another company for the second companies steady stream of revenue won't be doing it for long. That's a good way to go out of business.

I expect the Chinese company selling them IS the manufacturer making them for a US brand. They just sell under their own name the ones that fail the quality control of the major brand.
 
I expect the Chinese company selling them IS the manufacturer making them for a US brand. They just sell under their own name the ones that fail the quality control of the major brand.
Nope. You don't create a manufacturing plant that creates enough scrap to sell it as a product. It's bad business and Chinese people aren't stupid. They use good manufacturing practices just like the rest of the world
 
Nope. You don't create a manufacturing plant that creates enough scrap to sell it as a product. It's bad business and Chinese people aren't stupid. They use good manufacturing practices just like the rest of the world
If the Chinese manufacturing standards were as crappy as lots of folks make them out to be, no one would be on the internet or talking on a mobile phone. That is the highest level of irony you can find.
 
If the Chinese manufacturing standards were as crappy as lots of folks make them out to be, no one would be on the internet or talking on a mobile phone. That is the highest level of irony you can find.
Oh, you mean ironic like using your made in the P.R.C. mobile device to complain about things manufactured in the P.R.C.? :D:D:D:D
 
Oh, you mean ironic like using your made in the P.R.C. mobile device to complain about things manufactured in the P.R.C.? :D:D:D:D
Precisely, along with I won't trust my life to anything made in China while running around endlessly at highway speeds with chinese brake rotors, chinese steering bits, chinese brake caliper, chinese bolts and fasteners holding control arms in place, and you share the road with thousands upon thousands of others doing the exact same thing and they likely haul loved ones around in the same shit pile.
 
I am a fairly casual observer just skimming through this thread but did I miss the picture of the broken Chinese anchor shackle? Based on the topic and tone, the internet must be littered with examples.
 
"The low cost Chinese shackle failed at 38,000 pounds and stretched early – below 12,000 pounds."

https://factor55.com/faq/
They (like most of these tests) would like you to believe that it stretched and broke because it was made in China. However, the skeptic in me wonders if it was because they used the cheapest POS they could find that was stamped China to prove their point?

I think the moral of the story is buy good quality stuff and COO is not the sole determining factor. I think it is also important to remember, we are pulling Jeeps over rocks and out of mud holes, not towing the Exxon Valdez into port.

BTW funny bit of trivia... The TRE soft shackles we rave about have a breaking strength of about 30k. (yes, I understand no one has been killed by a flying soft shackle)
 
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However, the skeptic in me wonders if it was because they used the cheapest POS they could find that was stamped China to prove their point?

I don't know. If I had the testing equipment I'd test a dozen or so each of Warn, Smitty Bilt, etc just to see how well they do.

I think it is also important to remember, we are pulling Jeeps over rocks and out of mud holes

Yes, but it's possible to need up to 3 times the vehicle weight to do that and that should stay under the SWL of the metal hardware. (What is the curb weight of your rig?) Plus, metal hardware was not designed for dynamic loads like with using snatch straps.

The TRE soft shackles we rave about have a breaking strength of about 30k.

This is what I use, it's 7/16" with a minimum breaking strength of 52,300 lbs.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/bubba-rope/gator-jaw-716-pro-soft-shackle
 
So, if you are going to use a safety factor or WLL from one industry

It's not the necessarily the industry that matters, it's the item. Shackles need that safety factor because they deform at a significantly lower weight than they break. The SWL is designed to keep you from reaching the point of deformation. That's why shackles made of different alloys have different safety factors.