I was under the impression the top scenario was not a good practice and could lead to the loop slipping over the knot.
How would such a thing happen while the loop is under tension?
I was under the impression the top scenario was not a good practice and could lead to the loop slipping over the knot.
Here are a couple things.
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Ronny Dahl has an ok vid comparing steel to synthetic although I am not currently a fan of winch donuts which he mentions.
OK, I'll ask. What's wrong with the bottom one?
How would such a thing happen while the loop is under tension?
If it has a higher chance of failure than option 2, why do it? When used with a snatch strap, I'm not confident the average user is ensuring the loop is snug before load is applied.
If it has a higher chance of failure than option 2, why do it? When used with a snatch strap, I'm not confident the average user is ensuring the loop is snug before load is applied.
D ring failure its self? Or what its attached to?
Do you use them much?
Do they have any reasonable numbers showing what the reduction in strength is for the various methods of use? I suspect that while it may be there, it will still break at much higher loads than a winch can create.Here are a couple things.
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Ronny Dahl has an ok vid comparing steel to synthetic although I am not currently a fan of winch donuts which he mentions.
I wouldn't consider it much. I would say less than 25 times a year in average. I will admit I have rigged them all 3 ways at some point and not had a failure.
Do they have any reasonable numbers showing what the reduction in strength is for the various methods of use? I suspect that while it may be there, it will still break at much higher loads than a winch can create.
If you have used one 3 times, then none of your questions make any sense. You know how intuitive they are and how you would have to intentionally work at contriving a scenario where the loop won't stay under the knot.
There are numerous things I have done over the years without issues only to find out later that some are better than others.
A while back there was an argument about what type a knot should be used where one type was stronger than another. The rebuttal was exactly this, that the failure load of the weaker knot in this argument was still much higher than the load created by the winch and the winch rope being used.
Here are a couple things.
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Ronny Dahl has an ok vid comparing steel to synthetic although I am not currently a fan of winch donuts which he mentions.
What's the difference between 1 and 3?
#2 is best but the others should be fine.
If you wanted to carry a bow shackle or two in case another vehicle didn't have a recovery point suitable for a soft shackle what size(s) would you carry? A 1/2" and a 3/4"
I really like my TRE tree saver soft shackle.