Why?The difference from the adjusters is amazingly perceivable. I was really surprised at how much difference they make.
Why?The difference from the adjusters is amazingly perceivable. I was really surprised at how much difference they make.
Did you talk to all tech for a tune based on your corner weight or did you get their standard TJ tune?The other set of Foxes are installed. To the best of my knowledge, these are whatever off the shelf valving Fox uses when you buy directly from them.
These are very different from the All Tech TJ tune my other set is said to have. The small events are far more noticable. The overall ride is more jittery. But at the same time, the movement is much less controlled. Lots of body roll. Lots of rise and fall during take off and braking. The Fox tune is almost the opposite of the All Tech tune. I don't like it.
The AllTech tune has a flutter valve. Meaning that there is a short section of light damping before the main valving takes over. The experience while driving is that the small events are less prominent, while allowing for a firmer, well controlled ride during the larger events. I can feel this soft section which transitions into firmer control.
If I were to compare to the Rancho 5000x I have up front, the Ranchos are slightly better than the Fox tune. The 5000x has fewer jitters with slightly more control during the larger events. I've said it before, the 5000x just an OK shock, but pretty good for the cost.
When comparing the 5000x to the AllTech tune, the main valving is much more controlled even on the softest setting where the jitters are slight. Cranked up to 8 creates very good control with more pronounced jitters especially on slower city streets. So there is a compromise, but I'll take that over the Fox tune any day. This AllTech tune is very good and I appreciate it even more after today.
Hopefully that makes sense. I find this to be really fascinating.
Did you talk to all tech for a tune based on your corner weight or did you get their standard TJ tune?
Haha, I really am not trying to get your goat, honestly. While doing research, some say LJ springs for the TJ instead of the normal TJ springs. Why is the recommendation for LJ vs. TJ version? Is there that much of a difference?I keep getting sucked into this stupid game and I absolutely fucking know better. Now I have to go downstairs and get my hammer again.
Haha, I really am not trying to get your goat, honestly. While doing research, some say LJ springs for the TJ instead of the normal TJ springs. Why is the recommendation for LJ vs. TJ version? Is there that much of a difference?
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The Lj spring is about 1” longer, so higher ride height compared to the same weight tj on tj springs.Haha, I really am not trying to get your goat, honestly. While doing research, some say LJ springs for the TJ instead of the normal TJ springs. Why is the recommendation for LJ vs. TJ version? Is there that much of a difference?
As far as shocks, I now completely get why you don't like Bilstein. You build light rigs and they are not conducive to that. That is the best shock I have had, and have not compared them to a tuned shock. It was all I knew at the time based on suggestions of others... similar to the Rancho 5000x now. I can only imagine getting shocks tuned for my setup, which won't be soon enough.
Exactly my point. So springs are engineered for a specific weight at a specified height. Nothing more, nothing less.Why not stick a block of wood in there? Cut a pair of 4x4s down to 16" and 12".
So why did you go with LJ springs in the rear? More rake desired or due to weight?There is a difference in the ride height.
So why did you go with LJ springs in the rear? More rake desired or due to weight?
I still have a bit of weight loss to go before I commit.... Is there a gastric bypass band for a TJ? (that isn't expensive )Mine is an odd one. The Currie 4" LJ coils first went in when I had all that weight in the back. Plus, when I moved the spring seats, I raised the uppers and flattened the lowers. The result was that wanted the LJ coil and I still needed a spacer to get the desired ride height.
After the big weight loss, I now have less of a spacer to get the ride height.
For yours, we should swap in my springs and see what they do to yours. Then you can decide if you want The LJ or TJ rears.
I still have a bit of weight loss to go before I commit.... Is there a gastric bypass band for a TJ? (that isn't expensive )
Why?
Not why do they work, why are you surprised that shocks have that much effect? The only reason that would be a surprise is if you bought into the "springs matter" bullshit.From what I gathered reading about them, the adjusters in general control the shock's speed of compression (by changing the flow of oil through the internal damper's shim and piston assemblies). The "speed" in LSC/DSC does not mean vehicle speed but rather the speed of the suspension movement.
The high speed ones control hard/fast/sudden hits (like hitting a big root at speed on a FS road, or landing after a jump). The low speed adjusters are more geared towards controlling typical road unevenness and smaller/relatively more gradual events. Please correct if I'm wrong in my understanding
The tuning goal is a find a proper setting that gives good body control (roll in corners, dive under braking, squat under acceleration) without causing excessive harshness or loss of traction.
So basically after years and years of research, a focus panel, asking my mom, and my own butt-meter. I have come to the conclusion that tire pressure and shocks are the only things that affect ride comfort over road imperfections. Let me know if I'm off base.Not why do they work, why are you surprised that shocks have that much effect? The only reason that would be a surprise is if you bought into the "springs matter" bullshit.
I wonder how the AllTech moderate tune compares to @pcoplin moderate tune. I'll go with Paul for my shocks but I'd like to hear any noticeable differences if you've driven one.I bought them used. Based on what I was told by the seller, they are standard tune from AllTech. And based on the little bit I know about valve stacks, I believe this might be the medium tune.
Regardless, whatever they are, they are very different than the Fox tune.