some see it all as bolts and pieces and others can see systems and interaction.
lines, man. kick all the dirt you want but mind the line.Your wife seemed to know what to do with it.
i think it's more about tire pressure E's tend to run/recommend/hold higher psi than C's, and we know how wheel psi effects the ride. if your runnin recommended road psi and they feel balloony, your on the heavy side and ready for D's, no? if your runnin 10# under and they feel mushy then that's our fault. they are gonna add just enough "more tire" to control the extra pressure limits and that's the debatable influence part of all thisI don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet @Irun, but I think sidewall height can contribute to a wallowy feel. I’m more convinced that a 15-16” wheel works well up to a 33” tire, but once you go to a 35” tire you’re better off going to a 17” wheel to minimize the height of the sidewall and mitigate the squishy, wallowy roll onroad. This would fit under “quality.”
I’m not sure how much difference there is between load E vs C on ride quality, but I would always opt for a load C if possible.
your on the heavy side and ready for D's
I have my issues with Blaine, but that's way over the line.Your wife seemed to know what to do with it.
You don't believe me. Have you ever drifted your TJ around a corner?
You're right. My TJ will never match to your McLaren. I'll stop trying to compare our rigs.My bilsteins are quite firm and fell like I could just fine, but at 7" lift my brain says not to. Did that plenty in my XJ as it was lower and handled quite well. Just 'cause it can bomb it through corners doesn't mean it "handles like a sports car."
I've had pickup drivers tell me how much better their truck corners after putting a lift on. I think people often confuse a stiff-feeling suspension with good handling.
Yes a jeep can be set up to handle well on smooth roads, but there's more to handling than pulling off a drift without flipping. You can do that with an empty uhaul truck too.
AIring down helps tremendously on dirt roads, but it still doesn't ride like a Cadillac.
My bilsteins are quite firm and fell like I could just fine, but at 7" lift my brain says not to. Did that plenty in my XJ as it was lower and handled quite well. Just 'cause it can bomb it through corners doesn't mean it "handles like a sports car."
I've had pickup drivers tell me how much better their truck corners after putting a lift on. I think people often confuse a stiff-feeling suspension with good handling.
Yes a jeep can be set up to handle well on smooth roads, but there's more to handling than pulling off a drift without flipping. You can do that with an empty uhaul truck too.
AIring down helps tremendously on dirt roads, but it still doesn't ride like a Cadillac.
There are several good discussions that could be had about various things, unfortunately they would all devolve into shit slinging matches simply due to folks being unable to accept that they may not know as much as they think they do.https://wranglertjforum.com/threads...and-influence-ride-quality.62037/post-1117332
And this is exactly why I want to put the good information up front. People start reading through some of this nonsense and lose interest in learning. For others, please keep contributing. I'm confident there is value in the goal of the thread. Part of the journey may be sh**, but the destination is worth getting to!
I think some people may be taking @jjvw analogy too literally. Making an argument out of nothing. He is trying to highlight the benefit of a well set up system of components that can create a well handling tj/lj.
With that said it would be cool to see @jjvw post a video of his tj at the track or an autocross event here soon.
Barring tire pressure, where I've seen issues with E tires is when they are on the heavy side, increasing unsprung weight. I really felt it when I went to a heavier E tire. That was amplified even more with bead lock wheels. With a max gear of 5.13 on the Dana 30, and 5.38 with the 44, us poor owners of 42RLE propelled Wranglers feel the impact!lines, man. kick all the dirt you want but mind the line.
i think it's more about tire pressure E's tend to run/recommend/hold higher psi than C's, and we know how wheel psi effects the ride. if your runnin recommended road psi and they feel balloony, your on the heavy side and ready for D's, no? if your runnin 10# under and they feel mushy then that's our fault. they are gonna add just enough "more tire" to control the extra pressure limits and that's the debatable influence part of all this
when you get into heavy carcass tires things might change a bit more due to tire construction but i'm just guessin from limited observations.
Same question. Have you driven a TJ with well tuned shocks with DSC reservoirs? Do you know how they work with the high and low speed adjusters? The low speed can be used to dial out 98% of body roll. If you set it up nicely, you can crank the high speed in until you have firmer than most sport car shocks. Whip that around a corner and the result is more than a bit enlightening.I think some people may be taking @jjvw analogy too literally. Making an argument out of nothing. He is trying to highlight the benefit of a well set up system of components that can create a well handling tj/lj.
With that said it would be cool to see @jjvw post a video of his tj at the track or an autocross event here soon.
Easy way to fix stupid is with the ignore list. Works well.I have my issues with Blaine, but that's way over the line.
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With that said it would be cool to see @jjvw post a video of his tj at the track or an autocross event here soon.
they do a rough truck contest at the local fairs......i tell my girl i'm pretty sure i could outrun all them beaters, but IDK if it's worth the risk for a budweiser and a blue ribbon.We entertained the idea of taking it to a track out here with a lot of elevation changes. Unfortunately, vehicles with increased ride height are not allowed on the track. It's a shame, because I think me following a pack of Miatas would be a whole bunch of fun!
FIFYIt's a shame, because I think me running over a pack of Miatas would be a whole bunch of fun!