From pictures, it looks like an AR is pretty similar to the stock sway bar setup? What exactly is different about it?
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From pictures, it looks like an AR is pretty similar to the stock sway bar setup? What exactly is different about it?
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Rear AR is a waste of $$ unless your rig is really built for crawling.
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Check out this excellently written explanation.
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads...ck-sway-bar-improve-off-road-performance.197/
In short, it gives greater "useful articulation" defined as "traction", over discos, which give greater overall articulation, while stock limit articulation greatly.
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Putting the MML on tomorrow. Decided to stick with a MML only for now. I can always do a BL later. Raised the shroud tonight in preparation for the MML tomorrow. Was a little pain. Had to take off the radiator hose and notch out the top of the shroud at that spot. Now it's hitting the fan seriously, so I don't want to forget and start the Jeep in the morning! Hopefully an hour or two and everything will go well. Brown dog says do the driver side first and just remove the bracket, then take the OME mount off and install the Brown Dog and re-install bracket loosely, then do the passenger side and tighten everything down properly...Sounds straightforward, we'll see!
Hi guys, new member but longtime jeepforum member. btw, I like this place, seems more practical....
I've been going back & fourth on this topic for years. currently my jeep is all stock aside from the 31" MT's, I live 45 min from the Rubicon (but never done it!) and my wheeling is typically camping and/or exploring/hunting. Deer Valley/Pardoe's Trail would be the toughest stuff I've done and not really interested in more difficult crawling than that type of stuff. And the thing is....I've been able to get through stuff that I would think I have no business going through in a stock TJ on 31's. But I've been mostly ok so far with a little scraping here and there!
So I bought the Zone 4.25 combo lift a while back, never installed it. had some extra money and just did it. I also picked up a set of TJ axles front and back, Dana 44 back (my jeep has Dana 35, 3.07) 3.73 ratios used on CL. Those are also un-installed.
Plan was to swap rear axle, install lift, 33 or 34 inch skinny tires, re-gear.
I was hesitant to go with a cheap lift and after reading some stuff here I think I was right to be hesitant.
SO:
1) body lift, new 31" tires (mine are worn) swap in 3.73 axles, and do future tummy tuck/gas tank tuck.
2) OME 2" lift, new 31" tires, swap in 3.73 axles and don't bother with TT or gas tank
3) install Zone lift and go to 33's like original plan
P.S. I kinda like the small tires and the fact that they get me almost anywhere I want, handle great, and don't have as many things to worry about as far as lifting "correctly".
Also, the jeep is a toy now and not a DD anymore, but still on a longer trip there might be 2-3 hrs of highway driving.
*edit* I also think I want to swap/modify to a 4:1 transfer case at some point, nicer to crawl over vs. bounce over the rocks...
I've been going back & fourth on this topic for years. currently my jeep is all stock aside from the 31" MT's, I live 45 min from the Rubicon (but never done it!) and my wheeling is typically camping and/or exploring/hunting. Deer Valley/Pardoe's Trail would be the toughest stuff I've done and not really interested in more difficult crawling than that type of stuff. And the thing is....I've been able to get through stuff that I would think I have no business going through in a stock TJ on 31's. But I've been mostly ok so far with a little scraping here and there!
So I bought the Zone 4.25 combo lift a while back, never installed it. had some extra money and just did it. I also picked up a set of TJ axles front and back, Dana 44 back (my jeep has Dana 35, 3.07) 3.73 ratios used on CL. Those are also un-installed.
Plan was to swap rear axle, install lift, 33 or 34 inch skinny tires, re-gear.
I was hesitant to go with a cheap lift and after reading some stuff here I think I was right to be hesitant.
SO:
1) body lift, new 31" tires (mine are worn) swap in 3.73 axles, and do future tummy tuck/gas tank tuck.
2) OME 2" lift, new 31" tires, swap in 3.73 axles and don't bother with TT or gas tank
3) install Zone lift and go to 33's like original plan
P.S. I kinda like the small tires and the fact that they get me almost anywhere I want, handle great, and don't have as many things to worry about as far as lifting "correctly".
Also, the jeep is a toy now and not a DD anymore, but still on a longer trip there might be 2-3 hrs of highway driving.
*edit* I also think I want to swap/modify to a 4:1 transfer case at some point, nicer to crawl over vs. bounce over the rocks...
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If you go with the 2" OME you can still go to 33's if you add a 1" BL and regear to 4.56. Or you can stay with 31's and stay with your gears or optimal go to 4.10 if you could swap for a Rubicon Dana 44. So the OME gives you flexibility and quality.
With the 4.25" Zone, it sounds more like you're going for 35's.
With the BL idea, I wouldn't go over 1.25". It would work for what you do with your Jeep. You don't even need the BL to run 31's. The TT and Gas Tank Skid would be cool mods!
With the 4.25" Zone, it sounds more like you're going for 35's.
With the BL idea, I wouldn't go over 1.25". It would work for what you do with your Jeep. You don't even need the BL to run 31's. The TT and Gas Tank Skid would be cool mods!
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Yeah I have no desire for 35's. (the idea when purchasing the Zone lift was 34x10.5 LTB's, but I've chickened out on the LTBs)
33's I think look nice, but it seems like the compromises to do it cheap or the costs to do it right, might out weigh any benefits.
I've been running the 31" MT's for years all stock and got through stuff I maybe shouldn't have, but the tires are getting worn down and I'd like to make use of the axles sitting in my garage (3.07 gears are horrible with the 31's and any kind of hill or high elevation).
* Hey sorry for the thread jack, didn't think about it at the time, just found this site and reading through your post was right up my alley.
33's I think look nice, but it seems like the compromises to do it cheap or the costs to do it right, might out weigh any benefits.
I've been running the 31" MT's for years all stock and got through stuff I maybe shouldn't have, but the tires are getting worn down and I'd like to make use of the axles sitting in my garage (3.07 gears are horrible with the 31's and any kind of hill or high elevation).
* Hey sorry for the thread jack, didn't think about it at the time, just found this site and reading through your post was right up my alley.
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No problemo. The thread died a few weeks back, but it's always a timely discussion. I'm interested in your ideas too! I really think 33's look just right on a TJ. But 31's are very capable! I'm still torn. Right now I've got death wobble issues so I'm not able to decide. I'm hoping the new Metalcloak trackbar will solve it. I'll know Tuesday or Wednesday. If so I'm going to wheel it as is. 2.5" OME, 31's and 1"MML (which raised the oil pan to 15+") and skid is at 13.25". Just remember, Build for the trail! Once I've wheeled more around here, I'll know if I need to go to 33's with the Savvy BL and a regear.
Ah death wobble, yeah never had it and don't want it! My buddy had it horrible...
I agree I think 33's look just right on a TJ, however I have the Willys Edition and think the smaller skinny's look appropriate because of that.
BTW, I think the OME lift is listed as a 2" but I keep seeing it referred to as a "2.5", am I missing something? I think 2" and 31's might look just right, 2.5"...... too much?
Build for the trail.... right, and I've made it all these years so far, I only scrape every OTHER time
I agree I think 33's look just right on a TJ, however I have the Willys Edition and think the smaller skinny's look appropriate because of that.
BTW, I think the OME lift is listed as a 2" but I keep seeing it referred to as a "2.5", am I missing something? I think 2" and 31's might look just right, 2.5"...... too much?
Build for the trail.... right, and I've made it all these years so far, I only scrape every OTHER time
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Look is a matter of preference. Here's mine at 2.5" with 31x10.5. I think it looks right.
There are some here who run a 2" quality spring, H&R. That may be an idea.
The OME HD is advertised at 2", but most everybody gets 2.5" lift out of them. When I installed mine I initially got 2 3/4 in F and 3 3/8 in R. But it settled down. If you have a big roof rack and bumpers and armor and all sorts of other heavy mods it might ride lower than 2.5".
There are some here who run a 2" quality spring, H&R. That may be an idea.
The OME HD is advertised at 2", but most everybody gets 2.5" lift out of them. When I installed mine I initially got 2 3/4 in F and 3 3/8 in R. But it settled down. If you have a big roof rack and bumpers and armor and all sorts of other heavy mods it might ride lower than 2.5".
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I read in another thread you punctured your oil pan! So yeah, maybe a lift for the trails you do!Ah death wobble, yeah never had it and don't want it! My buddy had it horrible...
I agree I think 33's look just right on a TJ, however I have the Willys Edition and think the smaller skinny's look appropriate because of that.
BTW, I think the OME lift is listed as a 2" but I keep seeing it referred to as a "2.5", am I missing something? I think 2" and 31's might look just right, 2.5"...... too much?
Build for the trail.... right, and I've made it all these years so far, I only scrape every OTHER time
Well yeah but it was only once!
Actually I was messing around, wasn't even on rocks, I think it was a real deep/steep trench crossing...
Actually I was messing around, wasn't even on rocks, I think it was a real deep/steep trench crossing...
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JMT, gorgeous TJ! Sits just right. I wouldn't change a thing, unless you need to.
@Tim04Willys - personally, for me, I wanted 33's. It's almost a year now since my install and I don't regret it at all. Luv the way it looks and drives. I run a Zone 3" spring lift on 33's, Adams driveshaft and SYE. Can't say a single negative thing about my ride quality, the performance or looks. I truthfully wish I did it sooner. I hesitated two long years comparing lift heights, brands and researching / asking shops and TJ drivers on forums and at meet-ups if my gearing will work w my 5 speed or how their lift rides. All because I was concerned w the results. And I have 3.73 gearing. I don't see myself changing them unless I either decide to put in a locker up front or blow out a bearing or more than one seal.
If you're not sure about going to 33's but you really like the way they look, don't hesitate. If you've got the funds (consider you may need a SYE- and should down the line) just go ahead and get it on. I can't see why you wouldn't be happy.
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@Tim04Willys - personally, for me, I wanted 33's. It's almost a year now since my install and I don't regret it at all. Luv the way it looks and drives. I run a Zone 3" spring lift on 33's, Adams driveshaft and SYE. Can't say a single negative thing about my ride quality, the performance or looks. I truthfully wish I did it sooner. I hesitated two long years comparing lift heights, brands and researching / asking shops and TJ drivers on forums and at meet-ups if my gearing will work w my 5 speed or how their lift rides. All because I was concerned w the results. And I have 3.73 gearing. I don't see myself changing them unless I either decide to put in a locker up front or blow out a bearing or more than one seal.
If you're not sure about going to 33's but you really like the way they look, don't hesitate. If you've got the funds (consider you may need a SYE- and should down the line) just go ahead and get it on. I can't see why you wouldn't be happy.
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The H&R springs are very high quality, and the spring rates match the valving in the Bilstein 5100 shocks like they were made for each other. They produce an inch to an inch and a half of lift, depending on various factors like total weight. They rarely need an increase in bumpstop, so you realize an additional few inches of total suspension travel. The H&R's will put a rake on most TJ's with a heavy front bumper and winch, but a half inch spring spacer can take care of that.
But then again, they are not for 33" tires. Work very well for 31's and sometime 32's.