Which Savvy mid-arm kit should I purchase?

I looked at doing that as well i just didnt want to look back and regret not doing the MA. Do you think the SA would be sufficient in what my goals are for my rig?
I do. I also think down the line when you feel you could benefit from the midarm you can do the "upgrade" then. Good control arms and rear track bars have really good resale value so you wont lose much money.

If i had your rig and wanted to do a midarm id probably expect to pay ~10k in parts to do everything right.
 
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I looked at doing that as well i just didnt want to look back and regret not doing the MA. Do you think the SA would be sufficient in what my goals are for my rig?
The mid arm addresses a very specific issue with lifted suspension geometry. If you aren't experiencing that problem in a way that keeps you from moving through an obstacle, you will be more than satisfied with a well built short arm.
 
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Curious, I was thinking is the last of the mods.
The mid arm solves a problem that few will ever have. An outboard with good shocks and a good tune will be enjoyed every time the Jeep gets driven.
 
With regard to off road performance, what would be the difference in the above mentioned mid arm and a short arm with well known geometry correction brackets?
 
I thought that @David Kishpaugh brackets fixed that for the short arm?

They do. No hopping, no squatting and no tipsy boat feeling in the corners and off camber obstacles like long and some mid arms give you. Geometry correction moves the short arm bind point from a 23" shock length in stock mounts, which is why the track bar/upper control arm mounts always get torn off, and allows nearly 27" extended shock length at the bind point, same as a rubicon express and metal cloak long arm, but with nearly zero rear steer in a 12" travel range. I highly recommend geometry correction on the rear with short arms and a mid arm front with geometry like savvy's.

IMO, Short arms straight up suck on the front with lifts over 3" jabbing everything including my kidneys instead of easily rolling over small obstacles. Short arms and the popular front track bars are barely capable of 24.5" extended shock length, that's where the binding is at on the front as well as the stock driveshaft jabbing the transfercase because of the short arm radius.

Normal 3-4.5" rear springs don't really benefit from outboards when the rig is on uncut fenders and 35" tires. The collapsed shock length requires over 3" bumpstop extension and the extended length unseats the springs. The only thing the outboards get you with springs shorter than 16.5" freelength is uptravel. The stability gain of an outboard is marginal compared to geometry correction alone.

As far as I'm concerned, if bolt on short arms are good enough, you may as well use a rough country or rusty's long arm "upgrade" and save your back and sternum of the back seat passengers. It's cheaper than a set of adjustable short arms. At 4" of lift, they are more stable and handle better than a short arm. The problem is, the rear bind points remain the same as the short arm and will still tear off the axle mount due to the lack of separation. The front radius arm works without badly binding itself when the shock length stays less than 25.5" on the front with a 2" bumpstop, but still has the same hopping/lack of traction control as short arms.
 
They do. No hopping, no squatting and no tipsy boat feeling in the corners and off camber obstacles like long and some mid arms give you. Geometry correction moves the short arm bind point from a 23" shock length in stock mounts, which is why the track bar/upper control arm mounts always get torn off, and allows nearly 27" extended shock length at the bind point, same as a rubicon express and metal cloak long arm, but with nearly zero rear steer in a 12" travel range. I highly recommend geometry correction on the rear with short arms and a mid arm front with geometry like savvy's.

IMO, Short arms straight up suck on the front with lifts over 3" jabbing everything including my kidneys instead of easily rolling over small obstacles. Short arms and the popular front track bars are barely capable of 24.5" extended shock length, that's where the binding is at on the front as well as the stock driveshaft jabbing the transfercase because of the short arm radius.

Normal 3-4.5" rear springs don't really benefit from outboards when the rig is on uncut fenders and 35" tires. The collapsed shock length requires over 3" bumpstop extension and the extended length unseats the springs. The only thing the outboards get you with springs shorter than 16.5" freelength is uptravel. The stability gain of an outboard is marginal compared to geometry correction alone.

As far as I'm concerned, if bolt on short arms are good enough, you may as well use a rough country or rusty's long arm "upgrade" and save your back and sternum of the back seat passengers. It's cheaper than a set of adjustable short arms. At 4" of lift, they are more stable and handle better than a short arm. The problem is, the rear bind points remain the same as the short arm and will still tear off the axle mount due to the lack of separation. The front radius arm works without badly binding itself when the shock length stays less than 25.5" on the front with a 2" bumpstop, but still has the same hopping/lack of traction control as short arms.
That is what I am planning to do.
 
If you can afford it, do the Savvy Mid-Arm now. You can run it with the stock shock locations but it limits travel.

Outboarding shocks allow you to run longer shocks which gives you more travel. The secondary advantage is having the shocks out at the end where they do their best work. Outboarding is good for short or mid-arm but not a requirement for either.

The advantage of the Mid-Arm is the geometry. It was designed with the 4" springs and 35" tires at the stock LJ wheelbase. Its on this platform where the Mid-Arm really shines. I've been told that the TJ doesn't take advantage like the LJ and believe that to be more related to wheelbase.

The Mid-Arm's "push angle" and "joint separation" is the geometry that makes it sing. The rear triangulation and the front 3-point suspension allows it to flex. Tire traction works better when the tire is on the ground.

I have Savvy Mid-Arm #001 as they used my Jeep to prototype the kit. It is based on Blaine's one-off (my words) suspension he was making for people using this-and-that components from different manufacturers. I was in line for one of those when they decided to finally make the Savvy Kit and used my Jeep to do it. Blaine did all the work, including the outboard rear shocks, taller front towers, rotating spring perches, etc, which is NOT part of the Mid-Arm kit. I already had Savvy's skids, lifts, steering, etc. Blaine added hydro assist later as well.

As others have said, and you are trying to do this on some sort of a budget, get the Savvy 4" short arm kit. You will use the same springs later and can sell the arms to offset your $$. Remember, with the Mid-Arm there is a lot of cutting and welding! There is no easy way back. The short arm works really really well. Yes the Mid-Arm is better, but don't half ass it! Do it right the first time!
 
Once I have the position for the shock towers, I will make a fixture to simulate a 12" shock, mark where the towers go then just pull the body. My welding sucks bad enough that I can use the tractor to roll the frame around to where I need it and Tom Woods driveshafts is a mile from my house so it will be short work for getting it done once I get started. TIm
 
Not to totally highjack the thread, but I had a mid-arm question. If one was going to plan on a rear stretch and a mid-arm on a TJ will the mounting point of the frame side CA mounts move the same distance back as the stretch? I imagine you wouldn't have longer rear CAs.
 
You would stretch in front of the rear bracket. The problem is that the frame changes angles right at the end of the midarm bracket. It would be easier IMO to stretch the frame first.

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