Ohh... Hydro phobic nanoparticles.I wonder if we can mix some hydrophobic nanoparticles in with the grease and solve it that way?
I I think we should just spray them with wd40. Water displacing, right?
Ohh... Hydro phobic nanoparticles.I wonder if we can mix some hydrophobic nanoparticles in with the grease and solve it that way?
all else fails, WD40 makes grease.Ohh... Hydro phobic nanoparticles.
I I think we should just spray them with wd40. Water displacing, right?
Yeah, I noticed that tooI installed my SwayLOC today and wouldn't you know it, the lubricant they recommend and provided for the inside of the bushings where the steel sway bar rides was the silicone Energy Suspension Formula 5 Prelube.
Moly has a speed problem. You wouldn't use it on wheel bearings or driveshaft u-joints. When the surface speed gets high enough the moly shingles break up and become abrasive. It is best in a high force high load low speed scenario.I wonder why the emphasis on the high moly content for johnny joints? Usually you see moly content required in metal to metal contact, when a high load is concentrated in a small area - like wheel bearings, u-joint caps, winch gearboxes...the entire load is concentrated on basically what amounts to a single point or a line where the spherical or cylindrical roller meets the race or two gear teeth wipe across one another. A johnny joint doesn't really produce the same situation because the load gets spread out across a much larger surface between the steel ball and the poly shell.
I'm not necessarily questioning the need for molybdenum disulfide in a JJ application because I believe Currie/Rockjock probably didn't arrive at that conclusion out of nowhere; but I'm very interested in what function the moly acts in a JJ. Or maybe the recommendation is there because that's what they've used and haven't tried something else?
I installed my SwayLOC today and wouldn't you know it, the lubricant they recommend and provided for the inside of the bushings where the steel sway bar rides was the silicone Energy Suspension Formula 5 Prelube.
That's interesting, only from the simple fact that Honda produces a high moly grease for the ring and pinion of their shaft drive motorcycles. It's something like 60 percent moly and expensive as hell. I have a mini tube here...Moly has a speed problem. You wouldn't use it on wheel bearings or driveshaft u-joints. When the surface speed gets high enough the moly shingles break up and become abrasive. It is best in a high force high load low speed scenario.
I will say that if you try any other grease that we've tested in JJ, it is immediately obvious that the break away torque reduction of the CV-2 red moly is far better than anything else.
Moly has a speed problem. You wouldn't use it on wheel bearings or driveshaft u-joints. When the surface speed gets high enough the moly shingles break up and become abrasive. It is best in a high force high load low speed scenario.
I will say that if you try any other grease that we've tested in JJ, it is immediately obvious that the break away torque reduction of the CV-2 red moly is far better than anything else.
Molybdenum (Moly) Grease
Greases containing molybdenum disulfide as an additive are used in many heavy-duty, load-bearing, demanding situations such as in construction equipment, railways, farm machinery, etc. Specific everyday uses for molybdenum grease include:
As well as just about any other heavily-loaded, low-speed application. It is also serves as a good multi-purpose grease. Its exceptional ability to reduce friction, however, makes it unsuitable for high-speed bearings (such as needle or roller bearings), as the rollers/needles need a small amount of friction in order to rotate a full 360° and perform as they should. Otherwise, they develop flat areas along the length of the rollers/needles and eventually stop rotating, thereby reducing the bearing's performance and resulting in a sooner than expected replacement.
- CV joints
- Ball joints
- Steering linkages
- Pivot pins
- Kingpins
- Worm and helical gears
- Splines
- Pinion gears
My empirical evidence suggests that even though the energy suspension stuff has a higher breakaway force, the arms still move freely with the weight of the Jeep on them.My understanding of moly grease application has improved a lot over the last couple of hours. A JJ likely doesn't reach anywhere near the loads of any of the stuff you listed but the friction properties help the spherical ball articulate inside the JJs poly shell more freely.
Now just to understand the real world benefit of a low breakaway torque, or from a other angle, can another lubricant still be usable despite not matching the breakaway torque of a moly product?
No benefit, just tells you that grease works very well at reducing friction, nothing more.My understanding of moly grease application has improved a lot over the last couple of hours. A JJ likely doesn't reach anywhere near the loads of any of the stuff you listed but the friction properties help the spherical ball articulate inside the JJs poly shell more freely.
Now just to understand the real world benefit of a low breakaway torque, or from a other angle, can another lubricant still be usable despite not matching the breakaway torque of a moly product?
Have you been in the clay much to see how resistant it is to getting the base sucked out?My empirical evidence suggests that even though the energy suspension stuff has a higher breakaway force, the arms still move freely with the weight of the Jeep on them.
I have another trip planned next weekend to mount holly (a private park where the ”mount” is a giant concrete hill they poured to replicate something in Moab). So far, so good on my joints.
I went a month ago and played in the mud. I didn't get stuck, but this was pretty typicalHave you been in the clay much to see how resistant it is to getting the base sucked out?
I didn't get into much mud but the prelube I used on the energy suspension poly bushings in my 280z in 2002 never squeaked in 4 years as a daily driver.
I want to see the Z.Have you been in the clay much to see how resistant it is to getting the base sucked out?
I didn't get into much mud but the prelube I used on the energy suspension poly bushings in my 280z in 2002 never squeaked in 4 years as a daily driver.
I went a month ago and played in the mud. I didn't get stuck, but this was pretty typicalView attachment 287160
Correct. My wife managed to grab one of the best shots of the trip, bouncing around in the back seat of my Jeep, with her cell phone, through the rear window!This was Drummond island, right? That looks like a screenshot from a Jeep commercial.
Scariest Halloween pic I’ve seen…I went a month ago and played in the mud. I didn't get stuck, but this was pretty typicalView attachment 287160
Think of the rooster tails you could throw in that slop with the 40s and that 392 under the hood!Scariest Halloween pic I’ve seen…
I want to see the Z.