Obviously one spring has been tuned.
That's the springs' fault. The "female" spring is on the left, making all sorts of noise and never shutting up. The male spring (on the right ) is simply being quiet, tolerating her, until he finds a less noisy, better riding version with much less miles on her.....uh.. it. Sorry honey, if you hacked my account here.
Edit again, should have said shock tune.Perfect, thank you, so I’ve been beginning to think we were talking past each other…in an ideal dampener (none exist), bias does not impact dampening, even in older shocks, I think over a certain range , the bias had little impact. In newer, more advanced designs, the shocks are designed to respond differently at different biases along with several other parameters and can be tuned extensively.
I’ve only ever bought cheap basic shocks with no tuning or even advanced features, and currently am not looking for anything too fancy, just what will give me the best ride given my current 3in dual rate jks springs.
Also misread your statement, I often confuse my words…so I read springs when you said shocks…my apologies.
I do still suspect that if you did a drastic change to your springs without changing shocks that it would have impact on ride quality, but I am enquiring on that with others.
Also, tires as a first order approximation can be modeled as springs, though there are a lot of non-linearities.
Edited to add in shocks after changing in 3rd para.
Crap, my apologies, I said that completely backwards…which might have caused a lot of confusion of what I meant. Shocks are tunable, springs not so much! I’m often word dyslexic, not sure if that is a thing but I get my words mixed up.Shocks are not as tunable as springs, you generally have to replace the shocks. You tune the springs to match the shocks and give you the best overall system. And yes, I agree understanding how things work is what matters.
If you take a shock with a 50/50 bias for the shaft on a stockish vehicle with roughly 7" of travel, that gives you 3.5" up and 3.5" down. If you do not change the shock and do change the ride height, you are changing the bias. Once that has changed, then the impression of ride quality has to change over the same events due to the shock either bottoming out sooner with a harsh impact or trying to yank the axle off the ground with the same harshness. Both scenarios impact ride quality.Crap, my apologies, I said that completely backwards…which might have caused a lot of confusion of what I meant. Shocks are tunable, springs not so much! I’m often word dyslexic, not sure if that is a thing but I get my words mixed up.
LSC. DSC would be be even more dramatic than what mine can do because it can adjust both the high and low speed compression..... A turn of the dsc adjuster and immediately felt the difference, more roll, and felt I had to take corners much slower.
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I do still suspect that if you did a drastic change to your springs without changing shocks that it would have impact on ride quality, but I am enquiring on that with others.
What are the rates available now…I believe many years ago, I was able to find rates from about 175lbs/in to 225lbs/in…On our TJs, that "drastic change" cannot happen with any spring that you can buy from anyone. The differences in spring rates across manufacturers is not large enough for you to be able to discern differences due to the springs only.
What matters is the amount shock travel, the travel bias (up vs down) and the tune on the shocks.
Spring rates are close to what you have posted. There may be some HD that go higher. If that 50lb difference in spring rate made a difference we would have different handling rigs every time we fill up or add a passenger or two or add an ice chest. There just is not enough difference to matter.What are the rates available now…I believe many years ago, I was able to find rates from about 175lbs/in to 225lbs/in…
Can I buy a decent new set of shocks out and just go with them with my current springs and get a decent ride without having to do any tuning? My setup now is decent, but feel I have a lot more body roll than I had when I had my RE 4.5 springs (and worn shocks) vs my current jks 3in dual rates (again probably with worn shocks). I love the ride height of my current springs, but feel the roll is much greater and that is what I would like to correct.
And while a few times I messed up my springs and shocks words (sorry everyone!) I still think you tune the shock to the spring, but my missing information was that spring rates don’t vary that much, but I also wasn’t clear I was just thinking in terms of a classic dampener shock with no tuning or adjustment or other modern wonders.
In the end I’m here for more information to fill in the gaps between theory and practice, and what new is…realize my statement saying springs are tunable made me look like a complete idiot though
Yeah sadly my TJ has became bloated as well, gaining a few hundred pounds (~400-500 and fortunately most of it hasn’t been because of me!). I’ve been adding spares and tools and other stuff…oh and a big jump in tire size (although that is unsprung weight).Spring rates are close to what you have posted. There may be some HD that go higher. If that 50lb difference in spring rate made a difference we would have different handling rigs every time we fill up or add a passenger or two or add an ice chest. There just is not enough difference to matter.
Buy them direct from skyjacker so if you need to return them, they'll honor the warranty... Don't ask how I know.ok, Im figuring on the Black max shocks, where do you guys buy your shocks, and can I get RUBBER body mounts at the same place
I like your profile!I'm in love with my RS5000X shocks on 2.5" and 33's.
Smoothest shocks I've ever run.
What shocks did you have before?I just installed the Rancho 5000x and drove it yesterday for the first time. Huge improvement in on road ride. I like them so far.