I thought these were real questions???Will we get real answers?
Portal axle thoughts?
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Bump steer is caused when suspension travels are not the same as the drag link. On a Tj these are maintained via a track bar. This relationship is maintained regardless of reasonable lift height. You made claims here of that being corrected via portals. You also made claims of your locker being stronger. We love new products here. Would love to know more about how/why your lockers is better?
So did I. Though I haven't seen any real answers yet.
If you don't understand by my questions that I actually do know what influences scrub radius, then you need to have someone answer questions who does. You are correct, 17 x 8 is not the same as 17 x 10 but neither of those two is relevant without knowing the back spacing. If you meant to say that you can't get the same scrub radius with a 17 x 10 that you can with a 17 x 8 and both having the same back spacing, the you would be correct. However, again, that has nothing to do with the back spacing one would need to achieve a tolerable scrub radius with the portal axles from your company. Our speculation is that it would take about 10-12" of back spacing and personally I don't think you can get there with a 17" rim there is stuff at the top side that the rim would run into first.
33 is not the same as 40, really? I would have never figured that out until you told me, shows you what a dumbass I am.
What about potential clients? Do you answer questions with any level of accuracy before commit to buy so they know what they are up against?
No, not as simple as that. I build custom steering all the time without bump steer so I know exactly what causes it and trust me, it isn't lift height. If a rig has bump steer in stock form, installing the portals will not change that.
I suggest you get one to sign up on this site so we can get some REAL answers
Dude. You've been asked several questions that you've only responded to with marketing fluff. The entire scrub radius discussion is WAY over my head - but its obvious even to me that you're avoiding direct questions about your product. Mr. Blaine asked you a very simple question that even I can understand - and you have yet to answer it. If you don't know the answers get somebody from your organization to answer them. Its real simple.
We may come across as a bit harsh, that is not the intent. One thing I love about this forum it is fact driven and honest. It doesnāt matter if itās you, me, or Mr Blaine, if false claims are made we will be called out. Marketing ploys donāt do well here. If there is a stronger selectable locker out there the US market will find it. There is a market for portals, but questions about design need to be addressed.
How many sets have you sold in the US? Get some on the rigs racing the Hammers next year and show the consumer they are worthy.
How many sets have you sold in the US? Get some on the rigs racing the Hammers next year and show the consumer they are worthy.
I'm not here to defend the company or product, but for those not paying attention the question was answered in post #29. The portals add 2" and therefore an extra 2" BS is required over a non-portal axle to maintain the same scrub radius. It's not rocket science. They should also be compared to other 1-ton options out there and not the stock axle. My Currie front with F450 outers and 4" BS wheels are nowhere close to "ideal scrub radius". That would probably require 70" WMS or more and a lot of BS. As with all worthwhile modifications there usually are trade-offs. These axles like every other product have a target customer and, I'm probably not going out on a limb here, a DD on 35's ain't it. There's no reason to attack a product with such a ridiculous argument just because it doesn't suit your needs.
99.99% on this forum will never spend $20,000 on axles for our jeeps, but we should all be encouraging more choice and more players in the market, even if these are not for you. More competition is a win for consumers and breeds innovation. I don't know much about these axles or portals in general, but I wish this company massive success. All companies are new (or new to market) at one time. One thing I'm certain of, if their portals sell well enough other axle companies will notice and come out with a competing product. Perhaps even improving on the design. Who knows, maybe someday a company will come out with a great Dana 44 portal or some type of conversion kit. More choice and competition is never a bad thing.
99.99% on this forum will never spend $20,000 on axles for our jeeps, but we should all be encouraging more choice and more players in the market, even if these are not for you. More competition is a win for consumers and breeds innovation. I don't know much about these axles or portals in general, but I wish this company massive success. All companies are new (or new to market) at one time. One thing I'm certain of, if their portals sell well enough other axle companies will notice and come out with a competing product. Perhaps even improving on the design. Who knows, maybe someday a company will come out with a great Dana 44 portal or some type of conversion kit. More choice and competition is never a bad thing.
I'm not sure you understand scrub radius.
I install 20,000 dollar sets of axles with a reasonable frequency. If I can't get the info I need to inform someone considering them of the drawbacks or lack thereof, that is clearly an oversight on someone's part.
One could extrapolate that given a large enough diameter tire that the axle would need to be wider to accommodate interference issues with suspension and frame given a reasonable amount of back spacing to achieve a tolerable scrub radius. That isn't what he said though.
Yes, I'm going to be a 0.01%'er once I get this axle shit figured out.
Yeah I guess so, I wasn't picturing the whole setup, just the axle.
Sounds like he'd be money and time ahead to just swap to one of these portals so he can run stock suspension with zero problems or bump steer. I mean, he's already got F450 outers, so he's probably part of the .01%, unlike everyone else with just 250 or 350 outers...
The scrub radius isn't so bad, what is bad is how screwed the Ackermann is and dialing in the steering around that.
Just purchasing them is hard. waiting on a 3rd quote now but getting close.
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I asked a bunch of people what the difference was, i was told the caliper ears are bigger on the F450 knuckle.
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Jeebus, are you getting fab axles with Hi10 thirds or something? Or are rockjocks 20K now?
F450 has a tighter turning axle than an F250/F350. The knuckle must play into that.
Yeah, they're spaced further away from centerline for the larger rotor, and I'm fairly certain that is the only difference on the 99-04 stuff.
05+ is a different beast, there are substantial differences, but not many people run the 450/550 05+ stuff
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