Rock Sliders / Rocker Guards Guide

I stand corrected, and then again I guess we are all correct. I guess somewhere they switched from mounting below the body mount to above the body mount. And I would agree mounting them below the body mount as in mrblaine picture does not look like the best way to install sliders.
 
I stand corrected, and then again I guess we are all correct. I guess somewhere they switched from mounting below the body mount to above the body mount. And I would agree mounting them below the body mount as in mrblaine picture does not look like the best way to install sliders.
Not one single aspect of using any portion of the body mounts on the TJ or TJ Unlimited is an appropriate mounting system for rock sliders. Not ONE.

I just had 2 more in here like that. One of them had completely collapsed and broken the front body mount frame bracket downward due to the uneven loading.
 
This is a compilation of my research for rock sliders. I hope it can serve as a guide to others who are looking for the best product for themselves, as well as an avenue for others to add updated data as this forum grows and products develop. This post has undergone several edits, especially after the comments and suggestions of @mrblaine. Thanks to him for his knowledge incorporated herein and under his own post later in the thread.

Rock Sliders/Rocker Guards

Rock sliders are an important armor component for protecting your tub between the front and rear fender. They come stock on the Rubicon, but if you wheel on another model in conditions that put your tub in danger, you may want to consider aftermarket rock sliders. Even if you have a Rubicon, you may want a beefier slider for your style of wheelin’. We're not talking nerf bars here, but if you want nerf bars, you might consider reading up on rock sliders, as they may be a better choice for you if you wheel!

Many considerations go into choosing the best rock sliders for your application. Are they mainly for style? Or are they required for function? A good driver can use them to pivot over rocks. Would you like a step to help get into the Jeep? Or that lady friend, wife? How much protection do you want underneath? Do you want to protect your body mounts? Or just the edge and side of the tub? How do they mount to your Jeep? Do they mount only to the side of the tub or also underneath? Do they tie into the body mount? Or use an internal bracket that utilizes the seat mounting hardware? Are you considering aftermarket flares? Or do you already have some? It may be best purchase sliders from the same company that made your flares so everything ties in well. Or you may have the skills to fabricate a way to fit various components together. Does the mounting hardware leave a head extended or are they countersunk? Which is really better? An extended head near the lip of the tub could snap off if you hit a rock, but if tucked farther back is not a problem, and much stronger. And of course, what is your budget? These and other questions are part of determining what might be best for YOUR Jeep and YOUR use!

Below is a list of more well-known rock sliders available as of January 2018. Hopefully this bit of research will help in your search. If you find any others I’ve missed or haven’t considered, and are worthy of being posted, please let me know and I’ll add to the list. If there's data you have to fill in, also, let me know. They are divided into two classes, those with more form and less function and those with more function. Most are in the first category. So if you are looking for function, only the last few are really going to save your rig on the rocks!

Form over Function Sliders

Rugged Ridge ($299-399)


Model: 04-06 TJ
Warranty: 5 year limited
Manufacturing: 3/16” steel plate
Step: Yes (2” wide)
Mounting: Side of tub. Bolt heads are not flush. Underneath unclear
Finish: Tough Black Texture
Weight: 68lbs for the pair

Cost friendly, works with most aftermarket flares, has cut outs for use of a Hi-Lift jack, includes rubber welting to protect the paint and body.
https://ruggedridge.com/heavy-duty-rocker-panel-guards-11504-15.html
Motobilt ($275)

Model: TJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: 3/16” steel plate
Step: Optional
Mounting: Side of tub countersunk and underneath attached to body mounts
Finish: Bare steel
Weight: unknown

Motobilt is making some interesting products in the Jeep world. These look solid and at a good price point. Made in the USA.
https://www.motobilt.com/jeep-tj-rocker-guards-with-stock-flares.html

C&C Fabrication ($225-328)

Model: TJ, LJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: 3/16” steel plate
Step: Yes, 1 ¾” x 0.120 DOM with nice plate for step.
Mounting: Side of tub. Underneath NO MOUNTING BOLTS, 2" lip underneath the edge.
Backing Plates: No
Finish: Bare metal
Weight: ~40 lbs. This is what I was told over the phone, seems incorrect though.

C&C Fabrication looks like they make solid stuff. Hard to tell a lot, but these are not mass produced, allow 7-10 days for build and 3-5 days for shipping. They have several alternate options, including a DIY version for $225.
http://shop.ccfabs.com/Rock-Sliders_c8.htm

Genright Standard Rocker Guards w/Bars ($399)

Model: TJ, YJ or CJ-7
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Laser Cut and CNC Formed from 3/16” steel.
Step: Yes, with dimple die step plate for traction entering and exiting (4 ½” wide). Side bar is 1 ½” x 0.120 thick DOM tube (angled 15* upward)
Mounting: Side of tub and underneath tub. Bolt heads are countersunk on both for a smooth sliding surface
Finish: Powder Coat Black
Weight: ~81 lbs

Genright makes a very solid rock slider. This is the cheaper model with form over function. May require some trimming.
https://genright.com/products/tj-yj-cj-standard-rocker-guards-w-bars-steel.html

Warrior Rock Sliders ($)

Model: TJ
Warranty: 180 days materials and workmanship
Manufacturing: 3/16” plate steel
Step: Yes, tapers from front to rear, or no.
Mounting: Side of tub. Underneath unclear
Finish: Black Powder Coat
Weight: Unknown

Warrior Rock Sliders provide 6-7 inches of protect under the tub.
http://www.warriorproducts.com/cata...-06-jeep-wrangler-tj/side-steps/rock-sliders/

Rock Hard 4x4 ($300-340)

Model: TJ
Warranty: Lifetime
Manufacturing: Laser Cut 3/16” steel
Step: Yes or no. 1 ¾” x 0.120 DOM
Mounting: Side of tub countersunk and underneath countersunk for a smooth sliding surface
Backing Plates: No
Finish: Black Powder Coat Semi-Gloss 20% Texture
Weight: 60 lbs

Rock hard is 100% made in the USA, not the 75% legal standard. There is no welding or cutting required and can be used with 99% of flares and all body lifts. Since black powder coat is included, this is another slider that is hard to beat at that price point…
http://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-3001-sc.htm

Metalcloak Rocker Rails ($399)

Model: TJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: 7GA hot rolled steel plate
Step: Yes, 1 ½” x 0.120 steel tubing
Mounting: Side of tub in two linear paths, one above the step and one below.
Finish: Bare metal or Black Powder Coat (+ $124)
Weight: 94 lbs for the pair

Metalcloak makes good stuff and is known for good customer service. These rockers have a deflector plate, high lift mount, and are designed to integrate with the MC fenders, but can be used without them. There are two versions, make sure you get the right version for your rig.
https://www.metalcloak.com/Rocker-Rail-Pair-TJ-p/2312.htm

Mercenary ($399)

Model: TJ, LJ, YJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Precision Laser Cut and CNC form bent from 3/16” steel plate
Step: Yes, slider is 1 ¾” DOM Tubing
Mounting: Side of tub countersunk stainless steel. Bottom of tub countersunk alloy for smooth sliding surface
Backing Plates: Yes, 10 Zinc Plated.
Finish: Bare metal
Weight: Unknown

Will work with all body lifts and gives full underbody protection, fully TIG welded and all grade 8 hardware. Welds are hard to beat. This is a very good slider at a very good price. Very hard to beat! No longer in production as of 1/2018. Possibly will re-enter production if demand increases.

Poison Spyder Rocker Knockers with Sliders ($375-415)

Model: TJ, LJ, YJ or CJ-7
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Laser Cut and CNC Formed from 3/16” plate steel.
Step: Yes, DOM tube
Mounting: Side of tub countersunk and underneath tub at the body mounts and ribs, etc…for smooth sliding surface
Finish: Bare Steel
Weight: Unknown

Poison Spyder makes good stuff, and this rock slider is no exception for a form over function slider. Good price point. Works with a body lift without a resulting gap or misalignment. Weakness is they mount at the body mounts.

https://shop.poisonspyder.com/TJ-Rocker-Knockers-with-Sliders-p/14-08-060.htm

ARB ($466-492)

Model: Short Wheelbase TJ’s only
Warranty: Two years materials and workmanship
Manufacturing: Tough, 1.25 diamter schedule 40 tubular steel
Step: Yes (@30* upward from tub) or no
Mounting: Side and underneath tub. Internal mounting bracket.
Finish: Powder Coat Black
Weight: 63.5 lbs for the pair?

ARB has a long-standing reputation in the Jeeping community for making great products. This slider is no exception. The internal bracket eliminates body roll when pressure is exerted on step. However, angle is 90* and slider is not WW2WW.
https://www.arbusa.com/jeep-wrangler-tj-1997-2006/bumpers-protection-equipment/side-rails-steps/
TNT Customs Standard Rocker ($270-350)

Model: TJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: CNC cut and formed 3/16” steel plate
Step: Yes or no. Step is very nice, 3.5" wide
Mounting: Side of tub and underneath, neither countersunk. Explanation from TNT is that it weakens the steel at that point. They have never had a bolt head messed up to the point it could not be removed. Optional internal brace ($89).
Finish: Bare steel
Weight: 72 lbs

TNT Customs rock sliders look pretty beefy. Gives full underbody coverage and is body lift compatible. There is a double angle as the slider comes around the edge of the tub. It is not as demarcated as the Savvy and Genright's below, but is surely superior to all the previous rock sliders on this list. It is not wheel well to wheel well, but fits with their flares. A very strong option for someone looking for something that is very nearly in the upper echelon of functionally superior sliders, but not willing to spend $600.
https://www.tntcustoms.com/jeep_parts/tj_rock_sliders_97_06_wrangler_tj_tnt_customs

Function Over Form Sliders

JCR Rock Sliders Crusader ($459+)

Model: TJ, LJ, YJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: CNC cut and formed from 3/16” steel
Step: Yes, (3 ½” wide)
Mounting: Side of tub and bracket inside tying in to the seat mount locations.
Finish: Bare metal or Black Powder Coat (+ $150)
Weight: 92 lbs for the pair

JCR makes solid stuff for our Jeeps. This mini boat slider has a unique look and claims to provide higher ground clearance than traditional angle steel tube sliders. Has built in Hi-Lift jacking points front and rear. It is wheel well to wheel well and has the interior tub support that ties into the front seat, so this makes it an excellent functional slider. Made in the USA.
https://www.jcroffroad.com/product/SWBSL-CR.html

Warn ($329)

Model: TJ, LJ, YJ, CJ7
Warranty:
Manufacturing: 3/16” Steel
Step: No
Mounting: Side of tub not countersunk and underneath, but unclear how
Finish: Black Powder Coat
Weight: unknown

Warn is a well-known and reputable company, mostly for their M8000 winch. This slider has a rounded edge as it comes around the tub, making it a very functional slider. See post #74 on page 4 of this thread for pictures. Not ww2ww. There have been complaints about the slider warping, so, if your going to be playing hard in the rocks, avoid. https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/warn-slider-body-bowing.30626/post-493480 Best in class for price point, but with some possible weaknesses.
https://www.warn.com/truck-suv-mounting-protection-body-armor
Genright Mini Boat Side Rocker Guards w/Bars ($599)

Model: TJ, YJ or CJ-7
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Laser Cut and CNC Formed from 3/16” cold rolled steel. Side bar is 1 ¾” x 0.120 thick DOM tube (angled 15* upward)
Step: Yes, with dimple die step plate for traction entering and exiting (4 ½” wide).
Mounting: Side of tub and underneath tub. Bolt heads are countersunk for smooth surface
Finish: Bare metal
Weight: Unknown

Genright makes a very awesome functioning rock slider. The design incorporates a 45* angle around the edge of the tub. This is far superior to the 90* angle on most rock sliders. It will allow you to slide, whereas a 90* angle will often dig into the ground or rock and cause you to stop. I consider this a design feature that makes these the highest quality functioning rock slider. They also have as an option an interior support bracket, which will mean that your tub will not bend outward when someone uses the step. Again, this is a high quality addition, not common to most rock sliders. Provides wheel well to wheel well coverage. May require some trimming.
https://genright.com/products/tj-yj-cj-mini-boat-side-rocker-guards-w-bars-steel.html

Savvy Rocker Steel Slider ($559)

Model: TJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Aluminum base.
Step: Yes, replaceable
Mounting: Nutserts, reinforced backing plates, all stainless steel
Finish: Raw
Weight: ~80 lbs

Savvy, the name says it all. The design incorporates a 45* angle around the edge of the tub. This is far superior to the 90* angle on most rock sliders. It incorporates a two-piece design, the slider and the step, so that if one part is damaged, the whole does not need to be replaced, only one piece. They also have an interior support bracket, making them much stonger than most sliders. This is a great option for someone who will be on the rocks. It provides wheel well to wheel well coverage.
https://savvyoffroad.com/product-ca...7-2006/rockers-armor-jeep-wrangler-1997-2006/
Nemesis Billy Rocker ($649)

Model: TJ
Warranty:
Manufacturing: Aluminum
Step: Yes, flat with lip
Mounting: Countersunk on sides, underneath it completely covers the body mounts and goes all the way to the frame providing total protection.
Finish: Bare, Semi-Gloss or Textured Powder Coat (+$200)
Weight: 55 lbs for the pair

Nemesis makes an interesting rock slider. The entire side of the Jeep lower tub is protected and even the body mounts are completely covered. They provide a 45* sliding surface, which is superior to most other rockers. With their under body mount wrapping design, you will lose a significant amount of clearance. Coverage is wheel well to wheel well, which is superior to most rockers.
https://www.nem-ind.com/products/jeep-wrangler-tj-accessories/97-06-tj-billy-rocker.html?___SID=U

Apologies for leaving others off like Smittybilt, Ace Engineering, et. Al., as well as some of the alternate versions specific to your TJ or LJ, flare set up, etc...However, I hope this helps folks find what’s out there and make an informed decision. My personal opinion of the best overall sliders in order are; Genright Mini Boat Sliders, Savvy, JCR, Warn and TNT. Hope to see you on the trails!
I would like to add to this list. For another very strong option is the Barnes rocker guards. they are made of 3/16" steel and are mounted to the dub and the body mounts. they do not have a step but the price is extremely appealing. they cost around $170 which may seem to good to be true however Barnes is known for making very high quality parts for a lower price. i helped install these on a friends jeep and they were extremely stout. they fit right up and have held up for over a year on hard rocks.
https://www.barnes4wd.com/TJ-Rocker-Guards_p_188.html
 
I would like to add to this list. For another very strong option is the Barnes rocker guards. they are made of 3/16" steel and are mounted to the dub and the body mounts. they do not have a step but the price is extremely appealing. they cost around $170 which may seem to good to be true however Barnes is known for making very high quality parts for a lower price. i helped install these on a friends jeep and they were extremely stout. they fit right up and have held up for over a year on hard rocks.
https://www.barnes4wd.com/TJ-Rocker-Guards_p_188.html
scratch that hadn't realized the body mount was a bad idea
 
I'm sure glad I spent the extra $$ and went with Savvy sliders. They take some time to install but these things are rock solid. I've been getting into some pretty crazy rock crawling lately and these sliders can take a beating.

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scratch that hadn't realized the body mount was a bad idea
I added them anyway. It provides information about them in the grand scheme of things. If you know any of the information I wasn’t able to fill in, such as warranty and weight, let me know
 
I'm looking to pull my MC sliders and replace them with Savvy. When I do this, I'll also be removing the factory body mounts and replacing them with raised Genright mounts. The previous Savvy rockers I installed on another TJ fit nicely around the stock body mounts, but I'm guessing there might be some trimming necessary with the raised mounts. Has anyone installed this combination that can verify whether there will be interference issues?
 
I'm looking to pull my MC sliders and replace them with Savvy. When I do this, I'll also be removing the factory body mounts and replacing them with raised Genright mounts. The previous Savvy rockers I installed on another TJ fit nicely around the stock body mounts, but I'm guessing there might be some trimming necessary with the raised mounts. Has anyone installed this combination that can verify whether there will be interference issues?

If the Savvy sliders can be installed without a body lift, then they will fit the same with raised body mounts.
 
I'm looking to pull my MC sliders and replace them with Savvy. When I do this, I'll also be removing the factory body mounts and replacing them with raised Genright mounts. The previous Savvy rockers I installed on another TJ fit nicely around the stock body mounts, but I'm guessing there might be some trimming necessary with the raised mounts. Has anyone installed this combination that can verify whether there will be interference issues?
Nothing changes that will affect how the rails fit with or without raised body mounts on the frame. The slider backer fits around the OEM mount and will still do so.
 
If the Savvy sliders can be installed without a body lift, then they will fit the same with raised body mounts.

I checked the Savvy site and didn't see any mention of whether they fit
Exactly the same.

Thanks! Do you know if there's any overlap with the MC nutsert holes and those required for the Savvy install. I'm guessing you may have pulled a pair or two of MC sliders and replaced them. It would be nice if I didn't run into any partial overlap, but that's usually not my luck!
 
I checked the Savvy site and didn't see any mention of whether they fit
Nor would I ever expect to see that info on there. You aren't changing anything that matters. Essentially if the rails will mount without a body lift and they do, nothing else matters.


Thanks! Do you know if there's any overlap with the MC nutsert holes and those required for the Savvy install. I'm guessing you may have pulled a pair or two of MC sliders and replaced them. It would be nice if I didn't run into any partial overlap, but that's usually not my luck!
I don't know. I do know how to solve the problem. You make a plate with a 17/32" hole in it. Center that over the new location of the overlapped hole, drill through that with a 17/32" rotabroach and that will cut a half a hole if needed. Take care to hold the nutsert in the correct location when setting it and you'll be good to go.
 
Center that over the new location of the overlapped hole, drill through that with a 17/32" rotabroach and that will cut a half a hole if needed. Take care to hold the nutsert in the correct location when setting it and you'll be good to go.

This is gold! I've always used a drill bit and didn't even think about one of these. I'm going to order a set, so any recommendations on a particular brand?
 
This is gold! I've always used a drill bit and didn't even think about one of these. I'm going to order a set, so any recommendations on a particular brand?
I use Blair. I have no experience with others so there may be something better. Forgot to mention that we put a couple of close tolerance holes, one on either side of the larger hole for self drilling sheet metal screws where you can't get to the plate to clamp it in place.
 
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I use Blair. I have no experience with others so there may be something better. Forgot to mention that we put a couple of close tolerance holes, one on either side of the larger hole for self drilling sheet metal screws where you can't get to the plate to clamp it in place.

I did a quick search and came up with Blair, which advertise as Made in USA and happen to be "Amazon's Choice". Thanks for the education!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LQOCRK/?tag=wranglerorg-20
 
I did a quick search and came up with Blair, which advertise as Made in USA and happen to be "Amazon's Choice". Thanks for the education!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LQOCRK/?tag=wranglerorg-20
I use them to drill through the mounting holes with the 3/8" size. If you plan to do the same, order a couple of spares. If you side load them accidentally, they shatter. Once you use them and see how low the effort is, you'll wonder how you ever got along without them. Use the lube they supply or get some if they don't.
 
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These are mini boat slides.
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These are boat sides because they resemble the sides of a boat hull.
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The GR would be much better if they had left them like I designed them and kept that goofy tube step off of them. It makes zero sense to build a high clearance solution for rock rails and then ruin that with a step. So while good, they are not the very best they can be unless you modify them like I did these.
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Blaine, What front fenders are those in the picture of the green TJ?
 
Small update for DIY Fabricators. I found this design on a website, so it is not original with me. It looks very good, although I have not measured the length to see if it is WW2WW. The double bend is an excellent feature (120* and 150*), and it appears to have plenty of underbody coverage where you could tub mount, the preferred method. If someone could fab some of these up for <$300, they might have a venue...

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Where did you get these plans from? I would like to make these but there are a couple missing measurements
 
Where did you get these plans from? I would like to make these but there are a couple missing measurements
Man, that was May of 2018. I just spent about 15 minutes searching. I can't find them again. Can we could figure out the missing measurements or angles via math?