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Which size kinetic rope should I get? (RhinoUSA)

What is the downside of larger kinetic rope? Less "stretching" on a pull? The extra length should help make up for that though.

So long as you can still power gently to a stop and hold tension i don't see an issue. I know in mud and sand it takes time for a rig to come loose. Stretch straps are easier on both rigs.

I’d assume a heavier rope just won’t stretch the right amount with a lighter vehicle.
My basis was a post I found from Blaine, for context a guy asked if he should get a 3/4” 6,000lbs WLL or a 1” 10,000lb WLL.
This was Blaines response:
“Get the smaller one. Yeah, I know, we all think bigger is better but the larger ones really need to be used for larger rigs.”

Maybe @mrblaine would want to chime in for me too as the 7/8” I’m getting is also a 10,000lb WLL…
 
Question? Doesn’t, a larger dimeter rope hold the same amount of kinetic energy as a smaller rope when the same input pull is placed on them? I would imagine that the larger diameter will overall store more energy at their limit..
I went with a Freedom Rope 1”x30’ rope. The kit came with the rope, 2 soft shackles and a heavy duty bag with velcro closure. I went 1” because I have to pull out stuck off-road forklifts and trucks from pickups to semis. I bought mine at the local off-road expo and was able to compare several brands of ropes. Looking at so many ropes at one time it appears that many used the same base ropes. The main difference between them was how the eyes were constructed, what type of abrasion protection they used and if they had a reflective element added. I went with the slip cover vs the dipped abrasion protection. All claimed to have UV protection. When questioned directly all the venders admitted the base rope was Chinese and they were Assembled in the USA. Yankum the other high end ropes were not in display at the show and I’ve not physically seen one. I can’t remember what I paid for the kit but it was $150 or less with the show discount.
From my experience a longer rope will allow the pulling vehicle to be on a more solid footing and be able to get a better run up. I’ve had to use up to 80’ of strap to get the pulling vehicle on solid ground. 80% of my recoveries have been at night usually 3am and because the operator failed to walk the area to determine ground conditions properly.

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I bought a Bubba Rope almost 10 years ago. It's served me very well.
3/4" x 20ft. 👍
Bubba Rope RENEGADE 176655BKG Off-Road Power Stretch Kinetic Kit 3/4" x 20" Recovery Rope With Breaking Strength of 19000 In Tane / Green Accessory Ideal for Recovery and Towing Stuck Vehicles https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BZZB6OS?tag=wranglerorg-20
 
Remember before kinetic ropes were the cool thing to have?
A snatch strap will accomplish the same thing and takes up less space.
Hell, I still use a regular strap (with loops). ;)
 
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Remember before kinetic ropes were the cool thing to have?
A snatch strap will accomplish the same thing and takes up less space.
Hell, I still use a regular strap (with loops). ;)

I still use a strap , but we both remember how much better they were over a chain. Got my snatch strap in 1981.
 
I still use a strap , but we both remember how much better they were over a chain. Got my snatch strap in 1981.

I have an ARB snatch strap that a buddy bought me after I drug him off a trail using a Harbor freight or Menards strap I had.

Used it last year in Moab to drag one of the guys off the trail.
 
Question? Doesn’t, a larger dimeter rope hold the same amount of kinetic energy as a smaller rope when the same input pull is placed on them? I would imagine that the larger diameter will overall store more energy at their limit..
I went with a Freedom Rope 1”x30’ rope. The kit came with the rope, 2 soft shackles and a heavy duty bag with velcro closure. I went 1” because I have to pull out stuck off-road forklifts and trucks from pickups to semis. I bought mine at the local off-road expo and was able to compare several brands of ropes. Looking at so many ropes at one time it appears that many used the same base ropes. The main difference between them was how the eyes were constructed, what type of abrasion protection they used and if they had a reflective element added. I went with the slip cover vs the dipped abrasion protection. All claimed to have UV protection. When questioned directly all the venders admitted the base rope was Chinese and they were Assembled in the USA. Yankum the other high end ropes were not in display at the show and I’ve not physically seen one. I can’t remember what I paid for the kit but it was $150 or less with the show discount.
From my experience a longer rope will allow the pulling vehicle to be on a more solid footing and be able to get a better run up. I’ve had to use up to 80’ of strap to get the pulling vehicle on solid ground. 80% of my recoveries have been at night usually 3am and because the operator failed to walk the area to determine ground conditions properly.

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The thicker the rope, the less stretchy it will be. At some point, you may as well use a chain.

This is why it is important to size the rope to your vehicle if what you want is a kinetic rope. Otherwise, buy a chain.
 
The thicker the rope, the less stretchy it will be. At some point, you may as well use a chain.

This is why it is important to size the rope to your vehicle if what you want is a kinetic rope. Otherwise, buy a chain.

Yup this was my concern. Would you say I should’ve gone with the 3/4” 20ft over the 7/8” 30ft?
3/4” 19,500lb break strength
7/8” 28,500lb break strength

I was kinda being told I would appreciate the length of the 30ft and a 7/8” would be fine. Not saying those opinions are wrong, just still looking for more validation if I made the right purchase.
 
Yup this was my concern. Would you say I should’ve gone with the 3/4” 20ft over the 7/8” 30ft?
3/4” 19,500lb break strength
7/8” 28,500lb break strength

I was kinda being told I would appreciate the length of the 30ft and a 7/8” would be fine. Not saying those opinions are wrong, just still looking for more validation if I made the right purchase.

All I know is that my old TRE 3/4" kinetic rope was intended for vehicles up to 6000lbs. And I specifically trust those who were involved in TRE at that time.

I have no way to know if their sizing is applicable to other company's ropes.
 
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Yup this was my concern. Would you say I should’ve gone with the 3/4” 20ft over the 7/8” 30ft?
3/4” 19,500lb break strength
7/8” 28,500lb break strength

I was kinda being told I would appreciate the length of the 30ft and a 7/8” would be fine. Not saying those opinions are wrong, just still looking for more validation if I made the right purchase.

Hook it to the rear of your tj and a tree. If it jars your brain in your skull when your jeep comes to a stop then you'll know it isn't stretching to gently stop you. If it's still in the package waiting to get returned then you can't really do that.
 
Well heck apparently a TRE is $193 CAD for the rope and shipping, but I think before taxes, duties, and whatnot. At that rate maybe I’ll cancel my Gear America and look into TRE more.
 
Straps are my disposable items. I'll use a kinetic rope to pull someone out...and my collection of straps are used as tree savers, winch extensions and for long tows out when you don't trust the other guy not to run over the rope.

-Mac
 
A kinetic rope is not a one all be all. Straps and chain have their place. Straps give better control when needed. When a Kinetic rope releases it’s stored energy it can’t be controlled. Chain is used when abrasion is an issue. Case in point. I got this call for a stuck forklift at 3am and since the operator was done unloading and placing our bees I told him to leave it and I would come out the next afternoon to extract it. Picture sent with and received by smartphone for the haters.😜
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In the images below the left side of the forklift fell into a sink hole. There was a ground rise on the right and I had to place my tow rig on the level ground on top. I attached a chain on the left side of the ROP for a lateral pull so I could raise the left side to place cribbing. I attached 80’ of 3” strap to the pintle hitch of my F250. With it in 4lo, lockers on and tires down to 15psi I slowly righted it avoiding pull too far and laying it down on the opposite side once I broke suction. Once it was righted I had to lift the rear with a bottle jack because the rear weight was still buried in solid dirt. I placed cribbing down under the tires and drove it out. I could not just pull it out backward even with solid ground just inches behind the rear tire due it being hydrostatic drive and I was by myself. Full recovery took about 2.5 hr from arrival to leaving with it on the trailer.
Because each situation is different and I need to do things like this several times a year I have all the necessary supplies at the ready. Better to bring too much than too little because we tend to get stuck in the middle of nowhere. I know we are limited in space and weight with TJ but I pack 2 straps, soft and hard shackles and some cribbing when I go out. One of the straps will be replaced by the new Kinetic rope.

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Too late to cancel my GearAmerica rope so for now I’ll be sticking with it.

Was doing some more research on the GearAmerica ropes and found something… interesting.
Found they’re YT video introducing the 3/4” UTV rope, to start with they basically said they came out with the 3/4” because the 7/8” doesn’t stretch enough with just a quad or UTV.
Okay, fine. But if the 3/4” is designed to stretch proper for the 500-2700lb range, which is what they stated in the video, how can it have a 19,500lb MBS?

To sum up… how can they make a kinetic rope that will stretch proper with a 500lb unit, but have a 19,500lb MBS?
If they can actually do that, cool. Just seems maybe a little questionable to me? Just thought I’d share that.

Still open to opinions on whether you’d have gone with the 3/4” or 7/8”.
 
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