Woodrow's 97 Green TJ Moderate Build

I was talking to a guy named Keith in sales at GenRight today ordering a universal crossmember kit and elevated body mounts. He said he recommended their

Atlas Transfer Case Support Ring Kit​

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He said he cracked two 4 speed transmissions on his CJ before he put this on. I didn't jump on it but wondered what anyone else thought? Obviously more money and time but also probably driveline vibrations to chassis. Here is the CJ he uses it on:
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From what I understand Blaine does not feel that the added support is required. It's been discussed in a few threads on transfer cases and builds but I don't remember where or when. Not trying to quote him but I seem to remember somethings about vibrations if things aren't lined up dead on.


Of course since I'm different & have a 150lbs + t-case I have the second crossmember and a support bracket for my STaK's.
 
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I made a little progress on the Atlas/higher tuck project:
First, I finally finished cutting out the internal brace on the 1” drop UCF skid @Alex01 loaned me (with his approval, of course). That was a bit of work. Using a cutting wheel for the 1/2” thick welds, I had trouble with it binding. As a result, I blew up my Dewalt corded grinder (it actually caught on fire 🔥). But I eventually got it done with my battery powered grinder.

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Next, I marked the tub where clearance was needed and pulled the Atlas back out. You can see where the front top of the Atlas, just above the front output yoke, contacts the tub. That’s just behind the T-case linkage bracket holes on the driver’s side of the tunnel.
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I debated about how to massage the sheet metal. Instead of the BFH method, I used a wood block on a pole jack. That worked well and seemed pretty controlled. It also didn’t damage the paint/under coating significantly. With the Atlas back in, clocked at 7 degrees down, I’ve got just over 1/2” minimum clearance above and below with the 1" drop skid in place. That previous point of contact is now nicely up off the case.
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I will replace some of the left sided lower bolts with recessed, flat head phillips screws for a little more clearance like @mrblaine has done. Thanks to @Rickyd & @Apparition for that tip. Next, I’ll work on the Genright crossmember to support the driveline before I finish the shifters.
 
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I made a little progress on the Atlas/higher tuck project:
First, I finally finished cutting out the internal brace on the 1” drop UCF skid @Alex01 loaned me (with his approval, of course). That was a bit of work. Using a cutting wheel for the 1/2” thick welds, I had trouble with it binding. As a result, I blew up my Dewalt corded grinder (it actually caught on fire 🔥). But I eventually got it done with my battery powered grinder.

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Next, I marked the tub where clearance was needed and pulled the Atlas back out. You can see where the front top of the Atlas, just above the front output yoke, contacts the tub. That’s just behind the T-case linkage bracket holes on the driver’s side of the tunnel.
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I debated about how to massage the sheet metal. Instead of the BFH method, I used a wood block on a pole jack. That worked well and seemed pretty controlled. It also didn’t damage the paint/under coating significantly. With the Atlas back in, clocked at 7 degrees down, I’ve got just over 1/2” minimum clearance above and below with the 1’ drop skid in place. That previous point of contact is now nicely up off the case.
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I will replace some of the left sided lower bolts with recessed, flat head phillips screws for a little more clearance like @mrblaine has done. Thanks to @Rickyd & @Apparition for that tip. Next, I’ll work on the Genright crossmember to support the driveline before I finish the shifters.

Looks great!!!
 
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I still have work to do to finish up the atlas, but I want to be able to set the Jeep on its tires for the tunnel mods needed for the shifter. I sold my 33” tires last week and the new 35s and rims have been laying around taking up space. So its time to get them mounted. I have Coyote beadlocks to install with them. Tire shops won’t do those so I’m on my own. I’ve done many bike tires. Same principle, right? Also, pneumatic beadlocks exist in the mountain bike world. In fact, the success of those devices for downhill mountain biking is what started my interest in a similar system for the Jeep. I’ll admit the idea of manually mounting 35” tires was daunting. I watched the video on the Coyote site a few times(https://www.coyoteents.com/installing-coyote-boltless-beadlocks-video/). @jjvw and @mrblaine were both helpful in suggesting tools. I didn’t need to dismount the old tires (had a shop do that). There is some prep work for both the rims and new tires. My rims have some rock rash so I needed to smooth that out to remove sharp edges and to make them look nicer.
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I used a paint stripping wheel on my grinder. That worked very nicely on the aluminum.
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The tires also need prep (no pics-forgot). You need to smooth the inner edge of the bead which apparently can be sharp enough to cut the inner tube. Coyote recommends using a small pneumatic angle grinder with a 40 grit 2” wheel. I have that but my 2” wheel was shot so I used a 36 grit flap disc on my 4.5” grinder. It worked but I don’t recommend it. The flap disc gets a lot of traction on the rubber and it can really bounce around (dangerous). Then you need to vacuum all the rubber dust out of the tire.

Next, I spread everything out with the Coyote video on my ipad.
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Now more wheel prep. The stickers need to come off and I cut out the old valve stem.
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Then you need to drill a second valve hole in the rim for the inner (high pressure) chamber. It seems counterintuitive, but Coyote recommends this hole be within 6-8” of the other valve hole. The reason is the extra weight of the valves helps counter balance the overlapped and sewn together area of the polyester webbing is which makes up the “tread” of the inner tire. Therefore, that is clocked opposite the valve holes. Drilling the 5/16” hole in your rim seems like commitment😬.
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The hole needs to be chamfered on both sides (just a bit) to create a sealing surface for the rubber o-rings.

Now, the inner tube and inner tire get powdered to allow the tube to move freely against the inner tire which helps to prevent damage/leaks. Coyote provides plenty of powder.
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OK. Time to start mounting the tire. I worried the most about this, but it actually went very smoothly. Coyote recommends windex, rather than soap solution to lube the bead because the tire is less prone to slip when re wetted in the wild. The front face of the rim goes through the inside bead first. Coyote’s instructions aren’t too specific here but I quickly figured out that the end of my spoons with the little round bar welded on transversely worked perfectly.
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The specific tire spoons/levers that I bought were OTC 5735-35G. They are a little spendy but excellent. They are double ended with different tools at either end and 35” long for good leverage.
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Once the first bead is on the rim, you flip it over.
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Then you sequentially, by hand, put the inside of the inner tire on and the inner tube in, securing the inner tube valve in the new hole with 2 o-rings, washer and a nut. Laying the tube in flat and free of wrinkles or folds and being sure it is NOT under either bead of the inner tire are important.
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The new valve for the outer tire has a channel which extends up between the inner and outer tires to allow air to move from the original valve into the outer (low pressure) chamber.

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Once that is in place and secured with its included seal plus washer and nut, the second bead of the inner is pushed onto the rim. Note that the inner tube and inner tire are pushed on by hand fairly easily.

Now, its time to mount the 2nd bead of the outer tire. Other than the tire irons, the only additional tool I bought was the vice grip device which clamps onto the rim and holds the 2nd bead down in the channel. I don’t think this was absolutely necessary but it sure was a helpful 3rd hand when doing this alone. Coyote says start just past the outer valve stem (the one with the channel) and carefully work your way around.
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Note, now I’m using the opposite end of the tool. The little nub gently keeps the tire bead from sliding up as I bring it around. This part took the most amount of force and I was also very careful positioning the spoons to prevent damaging the tube or inner tire.
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Upon reaching the outer valve, I was again careful to prevent damaging the channel as the bead dropped over.
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Next, you put 10 psi into the inner chamber to move the outer tire beads out against a sealing surface. Then spray windex on both beads and add air to the outer chamber until the beads seat.
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Finally, finish inflating the high pressure chamber (max is 50 psi and Coyote suggests 40 to allow for thermal expansion) and then outer (low pressure) chamber to your desired tire pressure. I went with 23 psi. Repeat until all tires mounted. Use soapy water at valve stems to check for leaks. Done.
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I let them sit over night and re checked all the pressures. All were good so I rinsed them off and threw them on the Jeep (next post).
 
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Finally on 35s! Here is my TJ sitting on the new Yokohama Geolandar MT G003 35x12.5r15 load C tires with Coyote beadlocks:

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With the bodylift which allowed the 35s, the Atlas fits above the 1” drop UCF skid:
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And belly height is upto 19”.
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As always, weight is a concern. The 35” tires alone are 10# heavier each than the 33s I took off.
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With the beadlocks (6#/wheel and the heavier tires, I’m at 90# per corner)
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We will see how the axles like it.
 
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But only 4#’s is due to the tire

Actually 10# per tire for the 33” to 35” change PLUS 6# each for the Coyote beadlock set up. So, in total, I’m up 16# per corner, total (beadlocks plus 33 tp 35).
Put another way, the 35” tire is 68#. The aluminum rim with beadlock is 22#. Still alot lighter than a traditional beadlock (probably by >10#).

Edit: This is probably about as light as you can get for beadlocked 35” tires at present. Even the no longer available kevlar Goodyear MTR was only 1# lighter (67#) according to one search I did. Anyone else know of a lighter 35” beadlock setup?
 
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Actually 10# per tire for the 33” to 35” change PLUS 6# each for the Coyote beadlock set up. So, in total, I’m up 16# per corner, total (beadlocks plus 33 tp 35).
Put another way, the 35” tire is 68#. The aluminum rim with beadlock is 22#. Still alot lighter than a traditional beadlock (probably by >10#).

Edit: This is probably about as light as you can get for beadlocked 35” tires at present. Even the no longer available kevlar Goodyear MTR was only 1# lighter (67#) according to one search I did. Anyone else know of a lighter 35” beadlock setup?

Ok, I misread what you wrote above.
 
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Really great write-ups. The Coyotes look like a lot of work, but the payoff in weight savings and capability seems worth it, especially if you like garage time. Everything looks great. Your rig just went leaps and bounds forward in capability with the Atlas and Beadlocks.
 
Besides the rocker protection, is body armor in the plan?

Yes. Because of weight, I’ve tried to go light on armor. Initially, I really didn’t have much besides mini skids on the front axle, nodular iron diff covers and the aluminum tank and belly skids. But I had A LOT more fun in the rocks than I anticipated and I was bummed not to do Pritchett Canyon in Moab last year because the Jeep was too small and unprotected. The steel Genright mini boatsides (80#) and a steel Warn steering box skid went on before the Rubicon last fall. Now the current plan is go from 1/4” to 3/8” aluminum belly skid and add an aluminum engine skid. Lastly, I’m planning aluminum corner armor; probably Genright (as you have, I think?). I’ll get another weight at some point, but I’m guessing loaded trail weight should still be under 4000 especially since I plan to leave the spare in the tow rig (for clearance as much as weight savings). I think that should be pretty safe with the Coyotes and a plug kit.
 
Idk if this is a bad idea or not but my experience with inner tubes would make me want to inflate,deflate and then inflate the inner tube again so it can be in a neutral position in regards to tension on the stem or folds/more tightly stretched areas?

Ignore if it would dislodge carefully positioned bits and bobs
 
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Really great write-ups. The Coyotes look like a lot of work, but the payoff in weight savings and capability seems worth it, especially if you like garage time. Everything looks great. Your rig just went leaps and bounds forward in capability with the Atlas and Beadlocks.

Thanks Jeremy. The first tire took 2-2.5 hours, not including research beforehand. The subsequent tires were less than an hour each, working slowly. I got it all done in a long afternoon. Its not like doing an auto swap or something:)
 
After installing the bead locks, I had a couple of slow leaks. One wheel was losing air from the outer air chamber which was easily fixed by tightening the valve stem to the outer chamber. Unfortunately, the second was a tube leak on the inner tire. I could tell this was happening because the inner tire pressure would drop and the outer chamber would elevate until they eventually equalized over a week or so. I called Coyote to get a couple of tubes (replacement and a spare). Their office seems to be a 2 person operation (Harry is the tech guy and Jenna does the admin. Both are great to deal with). Harry confirmed my diagnosis and threw in a T-shirt for my troubles. I also ordered a Coyote set up for my spare so I can rotate it into use and so I have a spare with equivalent function.

I figured the hard part was going to be breaking the bead. I guess I could have a had a shop just do that for me, but that’s no fun. Like everything else, it seems, there are a bunch of DIY youtube videos on the topic. I don’t have any special bead breaking tools but I do have a mini excavator and I figured that might do it. Attempt number 1:
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Nope. Just popped the other side up.
So I used the blade to hold the other side. I had to put my clean out bucket on because in that position, it seemed the frost teeth on the regular bucket would likely damage the rim and/or tire. Attempt number 2:
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Nope. Unbelievable. Just lifted the front of the tracks right off the ground (the machine weighs 4000#).
This bucket is a lot wider and so spreads out pressure meaning I’m not getting the PSI in down force that I need. So I tried a 6x6 block under the bucket.
Viola!
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After pulling the tube, I found I had partially torn it at the valve stem.
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Soapy water confirmed the leak. I know when it happened. I spun the valve stem tightening the nut. I think it was only a quarter to a third of a turn before I recognized it, but there you go. Coyote provides 2 additional nuts with each set to use as jam nuts to prevent this. This instructions say “if necessary” and the others all tightened without spinning the valve. Problem is, once it spins even a little, the tube can be trashed. Lesson learned. I’ll use the jam nut technique every time. Anyhow new tube is in and seems good.
 
I have been using the crate my motor came in from Golen 3 years ago as an additional flat surface for work and stacking things. A tool box/bench on wheels would be more efficient and I’ve been looking at them for a while. Finally, I picked one up. I had to special order it from Home Depot. It arrived with fairly trashed packaging. The pallet it was on in the store pretty much disintegrated when they picked it up with their electric fork lift to load onto my flat bed. This is a spendy box, so initially I asked them to order another as the paint had a small scuff where the cardboard was torn off. But there weren’t any more available, so after a good inspection I took it with a 10% rebate in cost.
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So I spent a little time unloading and unboxing it this morning and then finally broke up the engine crate to dispose of (its just about out of warranty anyhow). Should be a nice little garage upgrade.
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While I was doing that, my driveshafts arrived. Here are the new Tom Woods shafts and my old Adams shafts for comparison on my new tool box. The Altas 2 speed allows the rear shaft to be a little over 2.5” longer and the front, correspondingly, is about that much shorter. Lengths are 19.5” rear and 38 1/8” front. I went with non-greaseable Spicer 5-1310x u-joints instead of their in-house, greasable, lifetime warranty “yellow seal” u-joints.
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Since there is a lot a discussion of these 2 brands, here are some initial thoughts on the Tom Woods-Adams comparison:
1) I have no complaints about my Adams shafts. Just thought I’d try the other brand. I will probably send my old shafts to Adams to have them re-sized so I have a back up set.
2) The packaging and paint job is better on the Adams shafts.
3) Price is similar. Adams is a few bucks more expensive but sends a T-shirt.
4) Tom Woods sent theirs FedEx and they were delayed 2 days. In my area at least UPS (which Adams used) is more reliable. Also FedEx drivers usually seem stressed or in a bad mood around here.
5) Tom Woods sent 1 set of straps and 3 sets of CV end yoke bolts, rather than 2 & 2. I’ll call Monday. Finally, the Tom Woods CV end yoke bolts have a much larger head than the 12 point, 8mm Adams bolts which may be harder to install/remove due to wrench clearance.
 
.....but I do have a mini excavator and I figured that might do it.

With multiple buckets.. impressive enough for me. I have one wooden handled shovel my father-in-law gave us when we bought our first house and I splurged for one with a fiberglass handle... Oh, I have the snow shovel and a snow blower. That's kinda like a mini-excavator, no?

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I've never bought drive shafts.. are they all custom lengths matched to each application? Are you stuck with the first set of drive shafts now? That would suck..
 
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