Wrangler TJ EV Conversion

[steelhd]

Yeah, maybe that.

Interesting. I don't think it's synchronous though.

Whatever, interesting idea.

- Patrick

With no flywheel it may not need to be synchronous.

 

[Zorba]

I assume you've used the Wilwood EPB, so you speak from experience, yes?

Sarcasm gets you nowhere with me. There is absolutely zero reason to load a vehicle up with complicated crap when something simpler/cheaper will do the job and do it more reliably.

 

[speeding_infraction]

We are going to change our strategy up a bit and try to focus on the TJ Kit first and to be be done and starting to deliver this year.

The plan, (I laugh as I type that word...), the plan is to get this first TJ done with a donner TJ to keep as the proof/demo TJ and get the next 4 TJ's in from the City contract PLUS the first 1 or 2 Retail customers TJs underway to get the first RC Kit (Release Candidate) into testing late June, early Aug for a Sept small batch open sale (maybe just 10...) to be delivered to advanced* retail customers and builders by Jan of 2027.

That's the plan.

We'll put aside the CJ and YJ Kit work for now, get one compete Kit for TJs out and see what the world looks like.

- Patrick

*
Advanced Retail Customer qualifications:
- TJ in the right shape, mostly stock
- Owns a cherry picker or his neighbor does
- A friendly neighbor that can help.
- De-ICE'd TJ, ready to be electrified.


Neah, that's stupid, don't say things like that, it's not a good look.

BUT, if you insist, and to prove your point, I've got a box of distributor contact points I'll let go of VERY cheaply. You come fetch them, they'll be outside in a box next to the freedom-restriction seatbelts and you can get rid of all that fuel injection electronic crap and go back to points.

Ugh, you're only saying that because you don't understand it. Electric Parking Brakes are an IMPROVEMENT, not crap.

Just to push you over the 'electronic crap' edge, we also use the Volvo P/S unit (flawless) and the Bosch iBooster (equally flawless) for P/B and, as listed above, the Guchen A/C compressor. Just those three parts alone, save about 19-24% of the waste HP of an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) setup.

No, it's not crap, you just aren't familiar with it yet. I get that, I do.

I assume you've used the Wilwood EPB, so you speak from experience, yes?

- Patrick

Don't bother arguing with him, he will never try it and never change his opinion.


On the other hand, if you're bored, argue with him about phones.

 

[Zorba]

Don't bother arguing with him, he will never try it and never change his opinion.

Damn right I won't change my opinion. I have zero use for expensive, complex, unsafe, and unreliable answers to questions nobody ever asked.

 

[macleanflood]

Why not switch to an iBooster and use can bus controls for an e-brake?

-Mac

 

[4x4 EVC]

With no flywheel it may not need to be synchronous.

So, after a ton of driving without a clutch, both with regen in single pedal mode and regen turned off, the secret seems to be in the programing we did to control the reduction of motor RPM to mimic the ICE setup return to idle when you take your foot off the accelerator.

It's magic, I honestly don't know how else to describe it.

- Patrick

 

[4x4 EVC]

Damn right I won't change my opinion. I have zero use for expensive, complex, unsafe, and unreliable answers to questions nobody ever asked.

Sorry Dude, we aren't building for everyone.

But, lots and lots of people have asked for it, we have a line of both Fleet work and individual retail customers, they came-a-knockin'.

Funny you should mention realiability, it's just below the NO HEAT as the most amazing thing about EV Jeep conversions, they are sooooo reliable.

How are they unsafe exactly, I want to hear every single thing you worry about, please, fill me in!

No, not that expensive, less than a full LS swap, that's for sure. AND, so easy on the wallet come fill up time - how's $0.06/mile grab you these days?

- Patrick

 

[4x4 EVC]

Why not switch to an iBooster and use can bus controls for an e-brake?

-Mac

AGREE, yes, that's what I said, we use iBoosters for the brakes, exactly. They are GREAT.

But, no, you can't use the CAN bus side of either the Volvo P/S or the iBooster P/B. The hack lends nothing to the party, at least not that we can tell.

Both have fantastic limp modes that make them pretty much plug-n-play.

LOVE where your heads at!!!

- Patrick

 

[4x4 EVC]

Don't bother arguing with him, he will never try it and never change his opinion.


On the other hand, if you're bored, argue with him about phones.

DAMN, DAMN and double DAMN, I read your post out of order - DAMN!

Thank you for the warning, so stupid of me to not read from the top down.

I'll stop dealing with him and apologize for antagonizing him, not my intent but, I know now that's what it probably felt like to him. Damn.

Thank you!

- Patrick

 

[4x4 EVC]

Sarcasm gets you nowhere with me. There is absolutely zero reason to load a vehicle up with complicated crap when something simpler/cheaper will do the job and do it more reliably.

Hey, look, I'm sorry my first reply came off sarcatistic. Apology.

We, you and I, are NOT going to agree on anything and I took the bait.

MY FAULT.

- Patrick

 

[srimes]

Sorry Dude, we aren't building for everyone.

But, lots and lots of people have asked for it, we have a line of both Fleet work and individual retail customers, they came-a-knockin'.

Funny you should mention realiability, it's just below the NO HEAT as the most amazing thing about EV Jeep conversions, they are sooooo reliable.

How are they unsafe exactly, I want to hear every single thing you worry about, please, fill me in!

No, not that expensive, less than a full LS swap, that's for sure. AND, so easy on the wallet come fill up time - how's $0.06/mile grab you these days?

- Patrick

less than an LS swap? That's surprising.

 

[macleanflood]

AGREE, yes, that's what I said, we use iBoosters for the brakes, exactly. They are GREAT.

Yup!

-Mac

 

[speeding_infraction]

less than an LS swap? That's surprising.

That's what I was thinking. But, if you were to do an LS swap to the same caliber as this (new/built engine, new transmission, etc) I can be live it costing more

 

[4x4 EVC]

Yup!

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-Mac

F I L L M E I N !!!!!!!

So, not a iBooster, or, is it some flavor other then Gen1 or Gen2?

Can't wait to hear about your divorced master cylinder reservoir set up, so interesting!

- Patrick

 

[4x4 EVC]

That's what I was thinking. But, if you were to do an LS swap to the same caliber as this (new/built engine, new transmission, etc) I can be live it costing more

Here's one of the things that no amount of money can escape with an ICE setup in a Jeep engine bay: HEAT.

There is not physical way to cool ANY ICE engine in a bay both that small and, much more importantly, shaped as wrong half of an hour-glass.

It is thermodynamically impossible to achieve stasis (dissipation of waste heat at a predictable yet variable flow rate - Jeep moving slow or fast) in a Jeep.

There is absolutely no escaping the math.

You can not cool any ICE motor above a certain liter size in that enclose, and 'that' size is not a inline 6.

It's a crap hard ceiling.

Take these three things out of your typical Jeep driving life and tell me how you might feel afterwards:

• HEAT,
• all engine noise,
• the smell of all that Jeep crud that only gets good and fresh once it's nice and warm down there - pretend like those things are gone in your Jeep experience.

Now, add one two three things you get instantly with and EV Jeep:

• reliability,
• almost no engine bay maintenance,
• 100% torque at 1 RPM.

Things that stay the same:

• your entire drive train, that and every other thing you've got in your Jeep.

Feels like a magic RC-car ride every time, and, you can hear each other talk, it's that quit.

Like I said, it might not be for everyone, but it will be a thing for some. I'm okeydokey with that.

- Patrick

 

[jjvw]

Sarcasm gets you nowhere with me. There is absolutely zero reason to load a vehicle up with complicated crap when something simpler/cheaper will do the job and do it more reliably.

Ahem...

 

[jjvw]

DAMN, DAMN and double DAMN, I read your post out of order - DAMN!

Thank you for the warning, so stupid of me to not read from the top down.

I'll stop dealing with him and apologize for antagonizing him, not my intent but, I know now that's what it probably felt like to him. Damn.

Thank you!

- Patrick

He himself says he is not one to dictate to others. And he is aware that he does not need to participate.

 

[speeding_infraction]

It is thermodynamically impossible to achieve stasis (dissipation of waste heat at a predictable yet variable flow rate - Jeep moving slow or fast) in a Jeep.

There is absolutely no escaping the math.

You can not cool any ICE motor above a certain liter size in that enclose, and 'that' size is not a inline 6.

I don't know about that... If I had a fan shroud my jeep would have no issues staying cool, I'm just too lazy to fix it lol. Also, there are multiple LS Swaps I know of that have no issues staying cool if they're set up right.

 

[rasband]

This is a cool project - I've long wished that Tesla had some "crate motor" options but until then (if ever) these projects are really fun to watch.

 

[Apparition]

I don't know about that... If I had a fan shroud my jeep would have no issues staying cool, I'm just too lazy to fix it lol. Also, there are multiple LS Swaps I know of that have no issues staying cool if they're set up right.

Wheeled with one last week that stayed cool using a stock TJ radiator.