BFG Mud terrains 35 x 12.50 17 load range E and American Racing ATX 756 Slab bead locks.
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There really isn't much weight penalty for the beadlocks then. My 17 x 9 Pintlers plus General Grabber x3's in 35 x 12.5 LR E are about 100 lb / tire. I weighed em, but don't remember the exact figure...97 lbs sticks in my head.
 
i really don't wanna know or it'll bug me, but i'd bet mine are pretty dam heavy 35x13.5x17 TSL on homemade BL's with 1/4" plates. just hope i can get close to even on um when i'm ready for the next set. i imagine i got about 15# of rim per corner i don't want.

i only paid the cost of 2 real aluminum beadlocks, but carry the weight of 7. thanks guys now i hate my wheels, since you made me say it out loud and hear it..
 
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Sure but it's all in perspective. Going with book weights as I don't have the tires yet and haven't weighed a wheel.

TR beadlock 17" 35 lbs
Baja Boss 40" 92 lbs
Total weight = 127 lbs

TR beadlock 15" 31 lbs
Baja Boss 35" 71 lbs
Total weight = 102 lbs

OK but again my point is that the steel wheel isn't that heavier compared to. Granted if you are counting every ounce then sure it might make a difference but the 5-10 lbs difference doesn't seem that big a deal.

I'll have to weigh my new tires and wheels and my old ones just to compare since they are close in size.
 
i really don't wanna know or it'll bug me, but i'd bet mine are pretty dam heavy 35x13.5x17 TSL on homemade BL's with 1/4" plates. just hope i can get close to even on um when i'm ready for the next set. i imagine i got about 15# of rim per corner i don't want.

i only paid the cost of 2 real aluminum beadlocks, but carry the weight of 7. thanks guys now i hate my wheels, since you made me say it out loud and hear it..

I'm still a fan of steel wheels and will be for a long time. Good or bad.
 
OK but again my point is that the steel wheel isn't that heavier compared to. Granted if you are counting every ounce then sure it might make a difference but the 5-10 lbs difference doesn't seem that big a deal.

I'll have to weigh my new tires and wheels and my old ones just to compare since they are close in size.
Doesn't seem like that much but it all adds up and weight usually hurts.

Here's a write up -

Why Does Unsprung Weight Matter?

Unsprung weight has a huge effect on any vehicle's acceleration, braking, and cornering abilities. It's even said that at a drag strip, adding a single pound of unsprung weight to a car has the same effect as adding two or more pounds to the body. Check out the diagrams below to see why it makes such a big difference.

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Acceleration

In Fig. 1 above, we see a Camaro with a set of small, lightweight wheels. In order to get the car moving, the engine only has to spin 30-pound wheels, so it doesn't have to work very hard. Putting less strain on the engine means faster acceleration. It's that simple.

In Fig. 2, you'll see the Camaro is sporting some bigger, heavier wheels. If you drove the car, you'd notice it feels sluggish, since the engine is working harder to turn the 50-pound wheels. This results in slower acceleration and reduced fuel economy.

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Braking
Just like the engine has to work harder to get the 50-pound wheels spinning, the brakes also struggle to bring them to a halt. A heavy set of wheels can increase stopping distance, and even wear out your brakes faster than light wheels.

Cornering & Ride
Wheel weight can also have a dramatic effect on handling and ride comfort. Check out the diagram below to see why.

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So, let's say you're driving down the road, and you hit a bump. This bump must be absorbed by your tire, wheel, axle, and suspension components. If, as seen in Fig. 3, your car's wheel weighs 30 pounds, 60 pounds of force must be absorbed by your suspension.

In Fig. 4, the wider 50-pound wheels would exert 100 pounds of force on your car's suspension when you hit this same bump. More force passed into your suspension means you'll feel a bigger bump, and your springs and shocks will experience more wear over time.

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This same logic applies to cornering, since going around a turn causes the wheels to move up or down as the car leans into the curve. Lighter wheels are also able to "bounce back" faster after bumps, allowing your tires to stay in contact with the road longer, and providing more grip. The end result is confidence-inspiring handling and improved cornering speed.

https://news.classicindustries.com/restoration-tips/wheel-weight-matters-unsprung/
 
I'm still a fan of steel wheels and will be for a long time. Good or bad.
i was just talkin crap. these are with me as long as the axles are, they will fair well for the nasty rutted rooted sticks logs rocks, sidewall rippin garbage i may encounter around here.
almost wish i'da kept a set of those dirt racing softies, i bet those would run pretty good out SW.
 
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Yes I know all this but thanks for posting it.

OK I've never been able to figure out how to switch this scale to lbs so it's in kg's.

38x13.5x17 M/T Baja Pro XS on 9.5x17 SpyderLock's.

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= 138.89 lbs

36x13.5x16.5 TSL IRock on a StazWork's 9x16.5 steel dual beadlock

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= 129.85 lbs

Not apples to apples but close.
 
This all helps my decision guys. šŸ˜Š

My KM3ā€™s are 65lbs and the Beadlocks Iā€™m eyeing are 27lbs, so total 92lbs.

I finally welded this up to hold my mig gun and pliers like @someguysjeep suggested. Great idea. Super handy!
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Then I made a flagpole bracket since the Loweā€™s one had gears that stripped out. Itā€™s done and painted but no pics yet.
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Hadn't meant to derail your thread but I always find it interesting the weight of tire and rim combos. And to honest I'm surprised that my steel rimed tires even though they are smaller weighed less than the aluminum rimed tires. On a side note the IRock's are as tall as the SX tires so even though they say their a 36" tire they stand taller.

Nice job. DUH for me as I don't have a stand for my torch and it's such a simple project. Nice work.
 
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The 17" Walker Evans beadlocks and 35" Mickey Thompson tires I previously had weighed 107.6 lbs each.
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As a comparison, I also had a set of 17" classic slotted wheels and 35" Duratracs, weighing in at 87.4 lbs. The 20 lb per tire difference was very noticeable when driving around. If I had a dedicated trail rig, I'd run beadlocks. If I was daily commuting in the Jeep I would not. What they took away from performance wasn't acceptable to me.

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The 17" Walker Evans beadlocks and 35" Mickey Thompson tires I previously had weighed 107.6 lbs each.
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As a comparison, I also had a set of 17" classic slotted wheels and 35" Duratracs, weighing in at 87.4 lbs. The 20 lb per tire difference was very noticeable when driving around. If I had a dedicated trail rig, I'd run beadlocks. If I was daily commuting in the Jeep I would not. What they took away from performance wasn't acceptable to me.

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Your observation is a good one. It's important to not forget that just talking static weight really doesn't capture what happens with spinning weight added (such as to a wheel/tire).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia
 
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Your observation is a good one. It's important to not forget that just talking static weight really doesn't capture what happens with spinning weight added (such as to a wheel/tire).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia
It wouldn't be an issue if I were running a different drive-train. However, that 20lbs x 4 in unsprung weight kills the 4.0l and 42RLE. Especially because we're gear limited to 5.13 (Dana 30 front) or 5.38 (Dana 44 front). I'm not exaggerating when I say it was noticeable (not in a good way). Before I added the beadlocks I would drive it 2 - 3 days a week to work. After, I stopped driving it. That was a stupid thing to do! :(
 
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It wouldn't be an issue if I were running a different drive-train. However, that 20lbs x 4 in unsprung weight kills the 4.0l and 42RLE. Especially because we're gear limited to 5.13 (Dana 30 front) or 5.38 (Dana 44 front). I'm not exaggerating when I say it was noticeable (not in a good way). Before I added the beadlocks I would drive it 2 - 3 days a week to work. After, I stopped driving it. That was a stupid thing to do! :(
That's all good to know, I might be swapping in a 42rle this summer and plan to do some version of beadlocks, eventually - probably.
 
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That's all good to know, I might be swapping in a 42rle this summer and plan to do some version of beadlocks, eventually - probably.
This is one of the reasons I'd be looking at Coyote beadlocks. I'd save 50 lbs of unsprung weight.

CEB17710-44 BEADLOCKS17ā€³ DIAMETER X 7 TO 10ā€³ WIDE RIMS29.25LBS

These things don't hurt either:

ā€¢ You can use your existing rims, conventionally beadlocked or not.
ā€¢ They lock both the outside and inside tire beads to the rim. So, contrary to what happens with conventional, mechanical beadlocks, this prevents the inside tire bead from burping air.
ā€¢ They provide a 3 inch high, 50 PSI ā€œbump stopā€ that reduces rim and tire damage in demanding applications like Baja 1000 and Hammer racing.
ā€¢ There are no balance issues.
ā€¢ There are no DOT issues. They are street legal.
ā€¢ There are no bolt circle torque maintenance requirements.
ā€¢ They give you a ā€œlimp flatā€ capability to get back to camp or off to the side of the trail
 
This is one of the reasons I'd be looking at Coyote beadlocks. I'd save 50 lbs of unsprung weight.

CEB17710-44 BEADLOCKS17ā€³ DIAMETER X 7 TO 10ā€³ WIDE RIMS29.25LBS

These things don't hurt either:

ā€¢ You can use your existing rims, conventionally beadlocked or not.
ā€¢ They lock both the outside and inside tire beads to the rim. So, contrary to what happens with conventional, mechanical beadlocks, this prevents the inside tire bead from burping air.
ā€¢ They provide a 3 inch high, 50 PSI ā€œbump stopā€ that reduces rim and tire damage in demanding applications like Baja 1000 and Hammer racing.
ā€¢ There are no balance issues.
ā€¢ There are no DOT issues. They are street legal.
ā€¢ There are no bolt circle torque maintenance requirements.
ā€¢ They give you a ā€œlimp flatā€ capability to get back to camp or off to the side of the trail
The coyote's really check all the boxes. As much as I like the beadlock wheel look - the coyotes are winning out for me in the cost/benefit analysis. Any wheel you want, dual beadlocked, ....
 
The coyote's really check all the boxes. As much as I like the beadlock wheel look - the coyotes are winning out for me in the cost/benefit analysis. Any wheel you want, dual beadlocked, ....
My only issues are no rim protection and the labor intensity every time you change tires. If youā€™re only changing tires every 4 years I can see it. I change every year almost, so it turns me off. At this stage in my life Iā€™m looking to simplify things, not complicate them, but I do agree Coyotes are cool.
 
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My only issues are no rim protection and the labor intensity every time you change tires. If youā€™re only changing tires every 4 years I can see it. I change every year almost, so it turns me off. At this stage in my life Iā€™m looking to simplify things, not complicate them, but I do agree Coyotes are cool.
Compare them to any other beadlock though, you're doing most the work yourself there anyway (aside from the initial wheel setup which is much higher with coyotes).
 
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I just read that the Patagonias have been re-made to avoid all the problems. New compound, new design. I think you should give the new set a try.,šŸ¤£

EDIT: they are very popular up here in the INW. Iā€™m not surprised as they are Jeep idiots. Everything is RE, RC, Shittybilt, and if you have MC that is da bomb. šŸ˜’ Iā€™m thinking of moving just to avoid depression.
You need to hang with the Idaho boys some more.
 
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My only issues are no rim protection and the labor intensity every time you change tires. If youā€™re only changing tires every 4 years I can see it. I change every year almost, so it turns me off. At this stage in my life Iā€™m looking to simplify things, not complicate them, but I do agree Coyotes are cool.
Have you ever installed a set? Doing 120 bolts at three torque stages is no picnic! :cautious: